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I like Ubuntu, and looked into using Ubuntu Core for an IoT architecture a few years ago - but the "brand store", which IIRC is mandatory for private deployment

I like Ubuntu, and looked into using Ubuntu Core for an IoT architecture a few years ago - but the "brand store", which IIRC is mandatory for private deployments, are complete madness. Plus, while the concept behind Snaps is interesting, in practice they seem to be nearly universally reviled.

nullcipher 4y ago
it's reviled because nobody wants to learn yet another deployment tool. apt has been reliable enough for installing packages and good enough UX that people can't be bothered
- theamk 4y ago
  Nope, it's reviled because of its hostile user experience. Try finding an official, working way to stop automatic snap updates!
  - GordonS 4y ago
    Was going to say the same thing. IMO the snap concept would make it worth learning something new for some use cases - but forced automatic snap updates, high memory usage, long startup times and permission issues are not selling it. Moreover, Canonical is well aware of how snap is perceived, and has done diddly squat to fix it.
    - ladyanita22 4y ago
      I am not aware of the high memory usage issues. Also, rhe permissions issue is related to poor packaging, more than anything else.
  - rtp4me 4y ago
    The only way I got it working was via: snap set system proxy.http="http://127.0.0.1:1111" snap set system proxy.https="http://127.0.0.1:1111" I started a thread [0] on the LXD container forum in 2019 due to all the issues with automatic snaps https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/disable-snap-auto-refresh-immediately/5333 https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/disable-snap-auto-refr...
josteink 4y ago
> Plus, while the concept behind Snaps is interesting, in practice they seem to be nearly universally reviled. It might be worth mentioning that a more open, community driven and decentralized option offering mostly the same concepts exists in the way of Flatpak and Flathub.
- j1elo 4y ago
  And that Linux Mint, a very good derivation of Ubuntu LTS, made the choice to ditch Snap and integrate Flatpak instead in their version of the Software Store.
  - Shared404 4y ago
    As did Pop_OS. No one uses snap but Ubuntu. Flatpak fits the same niche, but better.

nullcipher 4y ago

it's reviled because nobody wants to learn yet another deployment tool. apt has been reliable enough for installing packages and good enough UX that people can't be bothered

theamk 4y ago
Nope, it's reviled because of its hostile user experience. Try finding an official, working way to stop automatic snap updates!
- GordonS 4y ago
  Was going to say the same thing. IMO the snap concept would make it worth learning something new for some use cases - but forced automatic snap updates, high memory usage, long startup times and permission issues are not selling it. Moreover, Canonical is well aware of how snap is perceived, and has done diddly squat to fix it.
  - ladyanita22 4y ago
    I am not aware of the high memory usage issues. Also, rhe permissions issue is related to poor packaging, more than anything else.
- rtp4me 4y ago
  The only way I got it working was via: snap set system proxy.http="http://127.0.0.1:1111" snap set system proxy.https="http://127.0.0.1:1111" I started a thread [0] on the LXD container forum in 2019 due to all the issues with automatic snaps https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/disable-snap-auto-refresh-immediately/5333 https://discuss.linuxcontainers.org/t/disable-snap-auto-refr...

josteink 4y ago

> Plus, while the concept behind Snaps is interesting, in practice they seem to be nearly universally reviled. It might be worth mentioning that a more open, community driven and decentralized option offering mostly the same concepts exists in the way of Flatpak and Flathub.

j1elo 4y ago
And that Linux Mint, a very good derivation of Ubuntu LTS, made the choice to ditch Snap and integrate Flatpak instead in their version of the Software Store.
- Shared404 4y ago
  As did Pop_OS. No one uses snap but Ubuntu. Flatpak fits the same niche, but better.