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They also are looking "diversity of thought" over "stereotypical team diversity measurements". It looks like to me that they are looking for people with common

They also are looking "diversity of thought" over "stereotypical team diversity measurements". It looks like to me that they are looking for people with common sense that don't get offended by everything and don't make everything a political issue. I hope we get more companies to do that.

ivraatiems 4y ago
It reads to me like they looked at what progressive-leaning companies put in their diversity statements and decided "we'll just do the opposite of that!" Their diversity/culture documentation is essentially a right-wing screed against "woke" companies. They're right about one thing: It's not particularly professional.
babypuncher 4y ago
Why is it so hard for people not to be dicks? I manage to go to work every day and avoid harassing my co-workers just fine. Avoiding offensive language is not difficult unless you are an inherently offensive person...
- poszlem 4y ago
  As always in those situations - people like the parent post author pretend that "what is offensive to who" is a settled issue and not the main front in the current culture war.
  - ivraatiems 4y ago
    Would you contend that the offensiveness of racial slurs like the n-word is not a settled issue? That's the level we're at here. This isn't "somebody said Latina and not Latinx." This is "the CEO wants to be free to use a word that has been notoriously offensive for decades at work."
    - poszlem 4y ago
      I don't see where you took the n-word from, but even that to me as a non-american is peculiar. As much as I don't think the word should be used as a slur, people have lost jobs over using it when quoting someone else or even using it verbatim when enumerating things that should not be said which to me is insane. In my mother tongue there are no "words-than-must-not-be-named" and I struggle to understand the logic behind it. It reminds me of that Paul Grahams text "What you can't say" http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html: "I can think of one more way to figure out what we can't say: to look at how taboos are created. How do moral fashions arise, and why are they adopted? If we can understand this mechanism, we may be able to see it at work in our own time. Moral fashions don't seem to be created the way ordinary fashions are. Ordinary fashions seem to arise by accident when everyone imitates the whim of some influential person. The fashion for broad-toed shoes in late fifteenth century Europe began because Charles VIII of France had six toes on one foot. The fashion for the name Gary began when the actor Frank Cooper adopted the name of a tough mill town in Indiana. Moral fashions more often seem to be created deliberately. When there's something we can't say, it's often because some group doesn't want us to. The prohibition will be strongest when the group is nervous. The irony of Galileo's situation was that he got in trouble for repeating Copernicus's ideas. Copernicus himself didn't. In fact, Copernicus was a canon of a cathedral, and dedicated his book to the pope. But by Galileo's time the church was in the throes of the Counter-Reformation and was much more worried about unorthodox ideas. To launch a taboo, a group has to be poised halfway between weakness and power. A confident group doesn't need taboos to protect it. It's not considered improper to make disparaging remarks about Americans, or the English. And yet a group has to be powerful enough to enforce a taboo. Coprophiles, as of this writing, don't seem to be numerous or energetic enough to have had their interests promoted to a lifestyle." And I don't agree with having someone else's taboos enforced on me. (Which I'm sure some people will read as "I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY <<N**R>> AT WORK", but I don't think I can help those people other than ask them to re-read what I wrote)
    - rgoulter 4y ago
      > Would you contend that the offensiveness of racial slurs like the n-word is not a settled issue? John McWhorter would. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-... Or perhaps more pertinent to your question: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/opinion/use-mention.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/opinion/use-mention.html McWhorter thinks it's crazy that the word is such a profanity that even mentioning the word is taboo.
banannaise 4y ago
Diversity of thought is great, but framing it as the only kind of diversity you need is often code for "We're totally on board with misogyny, racism, and homophobia, which is diverse from all this woke bullshit! If you can't deal with seeing those things at our company, there's the door! And it's totally coincidence that our leadership is all white men!"

ivraatiems 4y ago

It reads to me like they looked at what progressive-leaning companies put in their diversity statements and decided "we'll just do the opposite of that!" Their diversity/culture documentation is essentially a right-wing screed against "woke" companies. They're right about one thing: It's not particularly professional.

babypuncher 4y ago

Why is it so hard for people not to be dicks? I manage to go to work every day and avoid harassing my co-workers just fine. Avoiding offensive language is not difficult unless you are an inherently offensive person...

poszlem 4y ago
As always in those situations - people like the parent post author pretend that "what is offensive to who" is a settled issue and not the main front in the current culture war.
- ivraatiems 4y ago
  Would you contend that the offensiveness of racial slurs like the n-word is not a settled issue? That's the level we're at here. This isn't "somebody said Latina and not Latinx." This is "the CEO wants to be free to use a word that has been notoriously offensive for decades at work."
  - poszlem 4y ago
    I don't see where you took the n-word from, but even that to me as a non-american is peculiar. As much as I don't think the word should be used as a slur, people have lost jobs over using it when quoting someone else or even using it verbatim when enumerating things that should not be said which to me is insane. In my mother tongue there are no "words-than-must-not-be-named" and I struggle to understand the logic behind it. It reminds me of that Paul Grahams text "What you can't say" http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html http://www.paulgraham.com/say.html: "I can think of one more way to figure out what we can't say: to look at how taboos are created. How do moral fashions arise, and why are they adopted? If we can understand this mechanism, we may be able to see it at work in our own time. Moral fashions don't seem to be created the way ordinary fashions are. Ordinary fashions seem to arise by accident when everyone imitates the whim of some influential person. The fashion for broad-toed shoes in late fifteenth century Europe began because Charles VIII of France had six toes on one foot. The fashion for the name Gary began when the actor Frank Cooper adopted the name of a tough mill town in Indiana. Moral fashions more often seem to be created deliberately. When there's something we can't say, it's often because some group doesn't want us to. The prohibition will be strongest when the group is nervous. The irony of Galileo's situation was that he got in trouble for repeating Copernicus's ideas. Copernicus himself didn't. In fact, Copernicus was a canon of a cathedral, and dedicated his book to the pope. But by Galileo's time the church was in the throes of the Counter-Reformation and was much more worried about unorthodox ideas. To launch a taboo, a group has to be poised halfway between weakness and power. A confident group doesn't need taboos to protect it. It's not considered improper to make disparaging remarks about Americans, or the English. And yet a group has to be powerful enough to enforce a taboo. Coprophiles, as of this writing, don't seem to be numerous or energetic enough to have had their interests promoted to a lifestyle." And I don't agree with having someone else's taboos enforced on me. (Which I'm sure some people will read as "I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY <<N**R>> AT WORK", but I don't think I can help those people other than ask them to re-read what I wrote)
  - rgoulter 4y ago
    > Would you contend that the offensiveness of racial slurs like the n-word is not a settled issue? John McWhorter would. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-word-unsayable.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/opinion/john-mcwhorter-n-... Or perhaps more pertinent to your question: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/opinion/use-mention.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/opinion/use-mention.html McWhorter thinks it's crazy that the word is such a profanity that even mentioning the word is taboo.

banannaise 4y ago

Diversity of thought is great, but framing it as the only kind of diversity you need is often code for "We're totally on board with misogyny, racism, and homophobia, which is diverse from all this woke bullshit! If you can't deal with seeing those things at our company, there's the door! And it's totally coincidence that our leadership is all white men!"