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A big percentage of mushrooms and game is still not fit for consumption today in Germany because of Chernobyl. So it's not just local. And even if, Germany is

A big percentage of mushrooms and game is still not fit for consumption today in Germany because of Chernobyl. So it's not just local. And even if, Germany is more densely populated than the Ukraine. The Chernobyl exclusion zone in Ukraine is the same size as the state of Saarland.

lelag 4y ago
The externality of emitting 1kg of CO2 has been evaluated between 10000 usd to 100000 usd. Assuming the lower range, the 300 millions tons of CO2 produced by the german electricity production accounts for 3x10^15 USD per years. That's 789 times the german GDP per year taken away from future generations. Now compare it to the GDP of Saarland.
- lelag 4y ago
  Found the source at https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4. So I made a mistake and it's for 1 ton not 1 KG but my point rest, even divided by 1000: Germany destroy close to their GDP per year with their electrical production emission, which is in my book worse than potentially, loosing a region if you are unlucky.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  Please name a source of that. The environmental department of the german government estimates about 640 euro per ton for the next 100 years. https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62786/4789535 https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62786/4789535
  - lelag 4y ago
    As I answered to my own comment: > Found the source at https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4. > So I made a mistake and it's for 1 ton not 1 KG but my point rest, even divided by 1000: Germany destroy close to their GDP per year with their electrical production emission, which is in my book worse than potentially, loosing a region if you are unlucky.
zosima 4y ago
What does not fit for consumption mean? Are there more ionizing radiation in a German mushroom or boar than in an average banana?
- legulere 4y ago
  Yes, a banana has an effective radiation close to 0 because our bodies evolved to hold its level of potassium in homeostasis. Your body already has radioactive potassium in it. When you eat more potassium, the excess is excreted and the amount of radionuclides in your body stays the same. Caesium-137 on the other hand is drastically more radioactive and stays longer in the body.
  - zosima 4y ago
    Seems that caesium-137 is also excreted pretty quickly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 Still even though it's hard to find good numbers, and the average seems to be ~ banana / kg. I believe there's at least reports of mushrooms and boars with ~10-100 times the radiation of an average banana. I don't think it's actually possible to show any health effects of that amount of radiation, even if ingested (and excreted) but it's more than the average banana.

lelag 4y ago

The externality of emitting 1kg of CO2 has been evaluated between 10000 usd to 100000 usd. Assuming the lower range, the 300 millions tons of CO2 produced by the german electricity production accounts for 3x10^15 USD per years. That's 789 times the german GDP per year taken away from future generations. Now compare it to the GDP of Saarland.

lelag 4y ago
Found the source at https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4. So I made a mistake and it's for 1 ton not 1 KG but my point rest, even divided by 1000: Germany destroy close to their GDP per year with their electrical production emission, which is in my book worse than potentially, loosing a region if you are unlucky.
tcfhgj 4y ago
Please name a source of that. The environmental department of the german government estimates about 640 euro per ton for the next 100 years. https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62786/4789535 https://www.presseportal.de/pm/62786/4789535
- lelag 4y ago
  As I answered to my own comment: > Found the source at https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-020-02785-4. > So I made a mistake and it's for 1 ton not 1 KG but my point rest, even divided by 1000: Germany destroy close to their GDP per year with their electrical production emission, which is in my book worse than potentially, loosing a region if you are unlucky.

zosima 4y ago

What does not fit for consumption mean? Are there more ionizing radiation in a German mushroom or boar than in an average banana?

legulere 4y ago
Yes, a banana has an effective radiation close to 0 because our bodies evolved to hold its level of potassium in homeostasis. Your body already has radioactive potassium in it. When you eat more potassium, the excess is excreted and the amount of radionuclides in your body stays the same. Caesium-137 on the other hand is drastically more radioactive and stays longer in the body.
- zosima 4y ago
  Seems that caesium-137 is also excreted pretty quickly: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 Still even though it's hard to find good numbers, and the average seems to be ~ banana / kg. I believe there's at least reports of mushrooms and boars with ~10-100 times the radiation of an average banana. I don't think it's actually possible to show any health effects of that amount of radiation, even if ingested (and excreted) but it's more than the average banana.