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Thanks for proving my point. It's not _technically_ safer. It's security by obscurity.

by WayneDB 15y ago

Samuel_Michon 15y ago
A 58 million Mac installed base, more than 250 million iOS devices sold, and you're still arguing obscurity? That's commitment. http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/250-million-ios-devices-sold/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/250-million-ios-devices-sol...
- WayneDB 15y ago
  Oh please. Compared to over a billion PCs worldwide? If you are going to build a bot-net, would you really target the Mac? Gimme a break dude. Considering the vast difference between Windows and OS X APIs; it's quite clear why mal-programmers don't waste their time with OS X. You would have to spend MORE than half your time attacking the Mac for less than 10% of your total attack surface. The only other argument that has been made in the face of this fact is from Gruber who said: If Macs have 10% of the market, why don't they have 10% of the viruses? That's like saying because I am Nth the size of the sun, I should have Nth the power of the sun. Reality does not work that way. Everything does not have to be proportional and in this case it's crystal clear why it is not proportional. Would you please kindly concede this point now?
  - Samuel_Michon 15y ago
    So by that logic, as long as the Mac market share isn't as high as Windows market share, the Mac platform will always be safer.
    - WayneDB 15y ago
      Yes. Superficial, non-technical safety via obscurity which lasts forever since OS X will never break 10% worldwide usage market share. iOS might be another story, but smartphone and tablet usage in general is still dwarfed by Windows usage. Despite that, within the realm of smartphones there have been more iOS threats than there have been threats for Windows Phone 7. Shocker? Nope. It's based on popularity. Interestingly enough, this year's Pwn2Own left the Android and Windows Phone 7 devices undefeated while the iPhone was one of the first to fall. - http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/hacking-android-windows-phone/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/hacking-android-windo... Take from that what you will. Ciao.

Thanks for proving my point. It's not _technically_ safer. It's security by obscurity.

by WayneDB 15y ago

Thanks for proving my point. It's not _technically_ safer. It's security by obscurity.

A 58 million Mac installed base, more than 250 million iOS devices sold, and you're still arguing obscurity? That's commitment. http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/250-million-ios-devices-sold/ http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/250-million-ios-devices-sol...

WayneDB 15y ago
Oh please. Compared to over a billion PCs worldwide? If you are going to build a bot-net, would you really target the Mac? Gimme a break dude. Considering the vast difference between Windows and OS X APIs; it's quite clear why mal-programmers don't waste their time with OS X. You would have to spend MORE than half your time attacking the Mac for less than 10% of your total attack surface. The only other argument that has been made in the face of this fact is from Gruber who said: If Macs have 10% of the market, why don't they have 10% of the viruses? That's like saying because I am Nth the size of the sun, I should have Nth the power of the sun. Reality does not work that way. Everything does not have to be proportional and in this case it's crystal clear why it is not proportional. Would you please kindly concede this point now?
- Samuel_Michon 15y ago
  So by that logic, as long as the Mac market share isn't as high as Windows market share, the Mac platform will always be safer.
  - WayneDB 15y ago
    Yes. Superficial, non-technical safety via obscurity which lasts forever since OS X will never break 10% worldwide usage market share. iOS might be another story, but smartphone and tablet usage in general is still dwarfed by Windows usage. Despite that, within the realm of smartphones there have been more iOS threats than there have been threats for Windows Phone 7. Shocker? Nope. It's based on popularity. Interestingly enough, this year's Pwn2Own left the Android and Windows Phone 7 devices undefeated while the iPhone was one of the first to fall. - http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/hacking-android-windows-phone/ http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/hacking-android-windo... Take from that what you will. Ciao.