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Whole reason they are doing this is because increased energy costs have driven demand for electric cars — which points to the real solution — phase out subsidie

Whole reason they are doing this is because increased energy costs have driven demand for electric cars — which points to the real solution — phase out subsidies for petroleum based energy and systems, then increase taxes on them; UK has some of the largest subsidies for oil & gas in Europe.

kmlx 4y ago
> UK has some of the largest subsidies for oil & gas in Europe. not really, it's actually quite in line with other European countries, both per capita, and as a % of GDP: https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies
- O__________O 4y ago
  First, here’s my source for UK leading subsidies for oil & gas, see top of page 11: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=COM:2019:1:FIN&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=COM:... Next, using analysis based on per capita, % of GDP, etc — hides the truth, UK’s subsidies by total amount spent are significant to the industry.
  - kmlx 4y ago
    > Next, using analysis based on per capita, % of GDP, etc — hides the truth, UK’s subsidies by total amount spent are significant to the industry. actually it’s the opposite to “hiding the truth”. my link shows UK’s subsidising oil and gas is actually quite in line with the rest of Europe. total sums are quite irrelevant and they hide the truth. that is why all of these papers show gdp % and per capita, not total sums. i think the reason is quite obvious.
    - O__________O 4y ago
      From the industry’s perspective, they don’t care about per capita, they care about the total amount. From the perspective of managing climate change, per capita analysis makes it easier to hide overall significance of the subsidies; aka 10k pop with 1k in subsidies on a per capita basis would be equivalent to 100k pop with 10k in subsidies; killing the 10k in subsidies of the 100k pop country would have 10x the impact on the industry. This is not about being fair to countries, it’s about having as much impact as fast as possible.
tialaramex 4y ago
An ex-colleague posted a Change.org petition asking the government to massively cut fuel duty (thus, subsidise those with ICE cars and indirectly the Oil Industry) as somehow a way to attack the cost of living problem. Completely batshit. If the treasury wants to give poor people £5B it can just do that, but by instead reducing taxes on petrol (foregoing revenue of £5B) you're not giving that money to poor people but to whoever buys fuel and whoever they're buying it from. Sure enough of course said ex-colleague has a big inefficient car, and so this would suit them fine and they can pretend it's because they're concerned about "ordinary families".

kmlx 4y ago

> UK has some of the largest subsidies for oil & gas in Europe. not really, it's actually quite in line with other European countries, both per capita, and as a % of GDP: https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies https://ourworldindata.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies

O__________O 4y ago
First, here’s my source for UK leading subsidies for oil & gas, see top of page 11: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=COM:2019:1:FIN&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=COM:... Next, using analysis based on per capita, % of GDP, etc — hides the truth, UK’s subsidies by total amount spent are significant to the industry.
- kmlx 4y ago
  > Next, using analysis based on per capita, % of GDP, etc — hides the truth, UK’s subsidies by total amount spent are significant to the industry. actually it’s the opposite to “hiding the truth”. my link shows UK’s subsidising oil and gas is actually quite in line with the rest of Europe. total sums are quite irrelevant and they hide the truth. that is why all of these papers show gdp % and per capita, not total sums. i think the reason is quite obvious.
  - O__________O 4y ago
    From the industry’s perspective, they don’t care about per capita, they care about the total amount. From the perspective of managing climate change, per capita analysis makes it easier to hide overall significance of the subsidies; aka 10k pop with 1k in subsidies on a per capita basis would be equivalent to 100k pop with 10k in subsidies; killing the 10k in subsidies of the 100k pop country would have 10x the impact on the industry. This is not about being fair to countries, it’s about having as much impact as fast as possible.

tialaramex 4y ago

An ex-colleague posted a Change.org petition asking the government to massively cut fuel duty (thus, subsidise those with ICE cars and indirectly the Oil Industry) as somehow a way to attack the cost of living problem. Completely batshit. If the treasury wants to give poor people £5B it can just do that, but by instead reducing taxes on petrol (foregoing revenue of £5B) you're not giving that money to poor people but to whoever buys fuel and whoever they're buying it from. Sure enough of course said ex-colleague has a big inefficient car, and so this would suit them fine and they can pretend it's because they're concerned about "ordinary families".