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I wish they would define what a date is. Does it mean virgin or at least someone who has had sex without paying for it? It also looks like in their culture you

I wish they would define what a date is. Does it mean virgin or at least someone who has had sex without paying for it? It also looks like in their culture you can be romantically involved without being sexually involved - are they saying 40% of younger men have never had a relationship?

projektfu 4y ago
I got the impression it meant a meeting for the intention of initiating a romantic (presexual) relationship. Like going to dinner alone together instead of with a group of friends. They mention later that Japanese culture is more group-social than, presumably, the author's culture, and perhaps couples can have spent a lot of time together before calling it a date.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Aren't the Japanese big on "mixers" where you get equal numbers of guys and gals together for dinner/drinks - and a date would only be if you hit it off at one? Of course there are other ways to get a date, but I suspect they have a pretty defined meaning for it.
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    The original whitepaper uses the term デート (transliteration of English "date") for the data, and I've understood the Japanese to consider that different from a mixer (合コン), and that a "date" is a one-on-one activity/outing with someone you're romantically interested in.
    - franciscop 4y ago
      I live in Japan and this is pretty accurate, a date and a goukon are def different things/concepts.
LeanderK 4y ago
> are they saying 40% of younger men have never had a relationship I think this is what is meant
NineStarPoint 4y ago
40% never having a romantic relationship outside of marriage, yes. The two graphs gave roughly the same number, with one translating to how many “恋人” some has had, translating roughly to “Girlfriend, Boyfriend, Sweetheart” and the other graph translating roughly to “How many people have you gone on a date with”, dating using the loan word “デート”. In both cases, about 5% of married people considered themselves to be at 0 people in both categories. It’s not about sex, it’s about having another person you spent time with in a romantic intent.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
Stop speculating and ask your date. I usually default to paying but say "is that cool? we can split it if you like". you just have to be honest and not put on a fake mask, they'll see through it eventually.
- Mordisquitos 4y ago
  You did not pass the Turing test.
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projektfu 4y ago

I got the impression it meant a meeting for the intention of initiating a romantic (presexual) relationship. Like going to dinner alone together instead of with a group of friends. They mention later that Japanese culture is more group-social than, presumably, the author's culture, and perhaps couples can have spent a lot of time together before calling it a date.

bombcar 4y ago
Aren't the Japanese big on "mixers" where you get equal numbers of guys and gals together for dinner/drinks - and a date would only be if you hit it off at one? Of course there are other ways to get a date, but I suspect they have a pretty defined meaning for it.
- Hamuko 4y ago
  The original whitepaper uses the term デート (transliteration of English "date") for the data, and I've understood the Japanese to consider that different from a mixer (合コン), and that a "date" is a one-on-one activity/outing with someone you're romantically interested in.
  - franciscop 4y ago
    I live in Japan and this is pretty accurate, a date and a goukon are def different things/concepts.

LeanderK 4y ago

> are they saying 40% of younger men have never had a relationship I think this is what is meant

NineStarPoint 4y ago

40% never having a romantic relationship outside of marriage, yes. The two graphs gave roughly the same number, with one translating to how many “恋人” some has had, translating roughly to “Girlfriend, Boyfriend, Sweetheart” and the other graph translating roughly to “How many people have you gone on a date with”, dating using the loan word “デート”. In both cases, about 5% of married people considered themselves to be at 0 people in both categories. It’s not about sex, it’s about having another person you spent time with in a romantic intent.

stjohnswarts 4y ago

Stop speculating and ask your date. I usually default to paying but say "is that cool? we can split it if you like". you just have to be honest and not put on a fake mask, they'll see through it eventually.

Mordisquitos 4y ago
You did not pass the Turing test.

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