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Was this headline written by an unpaid teenage intern? It should be obvious that '273 crashes' is meaningless without a comparison to how many are expected amon

Was this headline written by an unpaid teenage intern? It should be obvious that '273 crashes' is meaningless without a comparison to how many are expected among other similar vehicles.

hstan4 4y ago
bmitc 4y ago
Why? A human driver and a computer “driver” that is misleadingly marketed are two, totally different things.
cies 4y ago
No this is just the new way of doing things. COVID case numbers were notoriously absolute during the whole pandemic (in some cases govts insisted the media/dashboads only gave absolutes), which is so useless as a data point and so easy to make useful, but no... This is the new journalism/government: we love absolutes.
- jfabre 4y ago
  Your first sentence is more of a commentary than anything. Other than that I have to agree with you, just giving the numbers like that is super meaningless and almost deceptive, especially for infection data. It's a disgrace and shouldn't be tolerated, it makes people with poor deductive skills draw the wrong conclusions and operate with emotions instead of logic.
blinding-streak 4y ago
If you bothered to read the article, this information is presented.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  There's a whole article motte to justify the headline bailey!
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  It could have been done in a couple paragraphs and charts/tables with informative "rates of..." but they have to mix it in with a ton of fluff. Modern journalists always have to interject their "take" rather than just make a statement and show some data to support it.
alistairSH 4y ago
From the article... Tesla vehicles made up nearly 70 percent of the 392 crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems reported since last July Do Teslas make up 70% of vehicles with advanced driver assistance? Here's a list of cars with these systems.[1] That's a lot of models, so it certainly appears Tesla has an outsized proportion of crashes. 1 - https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cars-with-advanced-safety-systems-a7292621135/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cars-with-advance...
- je_bailey 4y ago
  Poor comparison. The comparison is what percentage of vehicles that operate with functional assist are Tesla vehicles.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    This why we would use rates per company vs absolute numbers. Takes most of the speculation out.
- _ea1k 4y ago
  Not all of the vehicles listed qualify as "advanced driver assistance" by the NHTSA definition. A comparison of miles driven with the systems active, normalized for road conditions, is not currently possible, but would be the most useful metric.
LightG 4y ago
Well, considering these happened when (I assume) the cars are using 'state of the art' driver assistance software, any number >1 is something to discuss. Tesla could have been a fantastic brand if they'd managed expectations better on AP/FSD and the douche-in-chief kept his twitter trigger hands in check a bit. Their brand's jumped the shark now.

Was this headline written by an unpaid teenage intern? It should be obvious that '273 crashes' is meaningless without a comparison to how many are expected among other similar vehicles.

hstan4 4y ago

bmitc 4y ago

Why? A human driver and a computer “driver” that is misleadingly marketed are two, totally different things.

cies 4y ago

No this is just the new way of doing things. COVID case numbers were notoriously absolute during the whole pandemic (in some cases govts insisted the media/dashboads only gave absolutes), which is so useless as a data point and so easy to make useful, but no... This is the new journalism/government: we love absolutes.

jfabre 4y ago
Your first sentence is more of a commentary than anything. Other than that I have to agree with you, just giving the numbers like that is super meaningless and almost deceptive, especially for infection data. It's a disgrace and shouldn't be tolerated, it makes people with poor deductive skills draw the wrong conclusions and operate with emotions instead of logic.

blinding-streak 4y ago

If you bothered to read the article, this information is presented.

robertlagrant 4y ago
There's a whole article motte to justify the headline bailey!
stjohnswarts 4y ago
It could have been done in a couple paragraphs and charts/tables with informative "rates of..." but they have to mix it in with a ton of fluff. Modern journalists always have to interject their "take" rather than just make a statement and show some data to support it.

alistairSH 4y ago

From the article... Tesla vehicles made up nearly 70 percent of the 392 crashes involving advanced driver-assistance systems reported since last July Do Teslas make up 70% of vehicles with advanced driver assistance? Here's a list of cars with these systems.[1] That's a lot of models, so it certainly appears Tesla has an outsized proportion of crashes. 1 - https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cars-with-advanced-safety-systems-a7292621135/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/cars-with-advance...

je_bailey 4y ago
Poor comparison. The comparison is what percentage of vehicles that operate with functional assist are Tesla vehicles.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  This why we would use rates per company vs absolute numbers. Takes most of the speculation out.
_ea1k 4y ago
Not all of the vehicles listed qualify as "advanced driver assistance" by the NHTSA definition. A comparison of miles driven with the systems active, normalized for road conditions, is not currently possible, but would be the most useful metric.

LightG 4y ago

Well, considering these happened when (I assume) the cars are using 'state of the art' driver assistance software, any number >1 is something to discuss. Tesla could have been a fantastic brand if they'd managed expectations better on AP/FSD and the douche-in-chief kept his twitter trigger hands in check a bit. Their brand's jumped the shark now.