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> That is an insane sample bias, when women look at men in ACTUAL research they tend to rate in a bell curve, and are actually kinder to age than men that tend

> That is an insane sample bias, when women look at men in ACTUAL research they tend to rate in a bell curve, and are actually kinder to age than men that tend to rate older women super low. I think that the survey was pretty controversial and has since been quoted to death in all sorts of contexts. It would be nice to see this actual research which paints a different picture, so that folks here might actually discuss the findings. I might have nothing to offer there, but people who work with statistics and whatnot would probably offer a good point or two. > Women rate look as the 4th most important thing in a man. I do think that the problem with most surveys is that there will certainly be biases in self-reported answers. For example, if asked about what I'd prefer in a country, I might claim that I value human rights and liberty really highly, but then turn around and vote for politicians that would promise to lower the taxes instead. I would actually be picking a different set of characteristics/priorities than I had indicated previously - regardless of whether I actually believed my own answers and didn't know, or simply wanted to appear virtuous. (just a made up example, I'm not sure how one would even measure what people actually value outside of asking them, maybe try to classify people based on various indicators)

daniel_iversen 4y ago
Isn’t that the whole “system 1” and “system 2” thinking? One being your logical brain and one being your practical brain. Hence why some supermarkets are testing shelving layouts in VR because if you survey people they’ll tell you one thing but in practice they’d actually do something different :)
jseban 4y ago
> I do think that the problem with most surveys is that there will certainly be biases in self-reported answers. Yeah and it's very typical with this question especially. You can't ask a woman what she values in a partner, because she will say whatever makes her look like a good person. That's why so many girls list intelligence as an important thing in a man, and still the most intelligent guys get the least girls. You need to look at how women actually choose their partners, not ask them how they would hypothetically choose. Look at the men that always have hot girlfriends and what they have in common, that's how you can make an empirical conclusion.
- edmundsauto 4y ago
  This is actually how you feed your confirmation bias, please be careful as a lot of the language you are using makes me worry about you. There are many explanations for the phenomenon of dating, but your comment reads like a textbook example of someone looking to confirm beliefs. Why couldn’t attractiveness simply be a cross product of money and physical activity level? In that case, hot people end up together due to economics and interests.

daniel_iversen 4y ago

Isn’t that the whole “system 1” and “system 2” thinking? One being your logical brain and one being your practical brain. Hence why some supermarkets are testing shelving layouts in VR because if you survey people they’ll tell you one thing but in practice they’d actually do something different :)

jseban 4y ago

> I do think that the problem with most surveys is that there will certainly be biases in self-reported answers. Yeah and it's very typical with this question especially. You can't ask a woman what she values in a partner, because she will say whatever makes her look like a good person. That's why so many girls list intelligence as an important thing in a man, and still the most intelligent guys get the least girls. You need to look at how women actually choose their partners, not ask them how they would hypothetically choose. Look at the men that always have hot girlfriends and what they have in common, that's how you can make an empirical conclusion.

edmundsauto 4y ago
This is actually how you feed your confirmation bias, please be careful as a lot of the language you are using makes me worry about you. There are many explanations for the phenomenon of dating, but your comment reads like a textbook example of someone looking to confirm beliefs. Why couldn’t attractiveness simply be a cross product of money and physical activity level? In that case, hot people end up together due to economics and interests.