> I mean, has the war in Ukraine not shown that having a strong defense is necessary, even in Europe? In 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest, NATO declared that Ukra

> I mean, has the war in Ukraine not shown that having a strong defense is necessary, even in Europe? In 2008 NATO Summit in Bucharest, NATO declared that Ukraine (and Georgia) will one day become a part of NATO. I read that France and Germany were against that decision for the fear of enraging Russia, but the US forced their opinion. Russia was enraged, and this is how we got to this war. My take from this war is that it's not always a good thing to let US orchestrate the security interests of Europe. Without US forcing their way through that summit, we might not have a war in Europe today.