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> He is the world's biggest grifter I mean, this is a bit dramatic, don't you think? Or do you not know who Jordan Belfort and Bernie Madoff are? Apart from an

by dvt 4y ago

> He is the world's biggest grifter I mean, this is a bit dramatic, don't you think? Or do you not know who Jordan Belfort and Bernie Madoff are? Apart from annoyingly trolling Twitter, I don't really think Musk's really done anything that terrible. Just seems like weird and reactionary "rich guy = bad" groupthink. I remember when everyone hated Bill Gates, but I guess now he's a humanitarian so it's totally cool.

ncmncm 4y ago
Bill Gates, Bernie Madoff, and Jordan Belfort are smaller grifters, the latter two much smaller. (Gates, additionally, was tight with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, also a much smaller grifter.) Rich does not mean bad. Grift is bad. I think there is a difference. Or do you mean that nobody can be that rich without being a grifter? That might be true, but I don't think of Warren Buffet as one. Or even Jeff Bezos.
- dvt 4y ago
  How did Bill Gates grift anyone? I think you have some sort of moral chip on your shoulder. People aren't perfect, and I don't know enough about Bezos or Buffet, but I'm sure they've done some shady things in their past. But the reactionary response is just very odd. I'm too busy, worried about my own life, plans, goals, etc. to so vehemently hate some random billionaire who doesn't even know I exist. If it was personal, I'd understand, but it just seems to be part of a certain zeitgeist to hate on the guy, and everyone does it without question.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    Missing the point. I don't hate Musk. (Anybody who does probably was fired during one of his tantrums.) I do recognize him as a grifter, for reasons. Can you understand the difference? This isn't the place to explain Gates's failings, or Putin's; that's easy to look up. I don't think you are using that word "reactionary" in any meaningful way. Have you ever looked it up?

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> He is the world's biggest grifter I mean, this is a bit dramatic, don't you think? Or do you not know who Jordan Belfort and Bernie Madoff are? Apart from an

by dvt 4y ago

ncmncm 4y ago
Bill Gates, Bernie Madoff, and Jordan Belfort are smaller grifters, the latter two much smaller. (Gates, additionally, was tight with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, also a much smaller grifter.) Rich does not mean bad. Grift is bad. I think there is a difference. Or do you mean that nobody can be that rich without being a grifter? That might be true, but I don't think of Warren Buffet as one. Or even Jeff Bezos.
- dvt 4y ago
  How did Bill Gates grift anyone? I think you have some sort of moral chip on your shoulder. People aren't perfect, and I don't know enough about Bezos or Buffet, but I'm sure they've done some shady things in their past. But the reactionary response is just very odd. I'm too busy, worried about my own life, plans, goals, etc. to so vehemently hate some random billionaire who doesn't even know I exist. If it was personal, I'd understand, but it just seems to be part of a certain zeitgeist to hate on the guy, and everyone does it without question.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    Missing the point. I don't hate Musk. (Anybody who does probably was fired during one of his tantrums.) I do recognize him as a grifter, for reasons. Can you understand the difference? This isn't the place to explain Gates's failings, or Putin's; that's easy to look up. I don't think you are using that word "reactionary" in any meaningful way. Have you ever looked it up?