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Why is this scarier than Target or Walmart, each of which have a higher market share than Amazon?

BbzzbB 4y ago
For what it's worth, neither Target nor Walmart have a wholly unrelated cash cow (AWS) to subsidize ventures into new markets at huge losses until market dominance is established.
- toma_caliente 4y ago
  This is the big one here. Amazon has a completely unrelated market dominate business that lets them enter new markets at a loss until they crush everyone currently in that market. Amazon is honestly the first company that needs to be broken up. Split up AWS and Amazon market and this becomes a whole new ballgame.
  - mijowi 4y ago
    First company that needs to be broken up?? What about all the other monopolies that were busted?
    - coconut08 4y ago
      I think they mean at this current point in time amazon is the company that needs to be broken up first, as in take priority over companies like facebook and apple not that this is the first company in history that has required intervention.
    - toma_caliente 4y ago
      I mean of the current tech monopolies(Amazon, Google, etc), Amazon should take priority as the first company among them that needs antitrust lawsuits filed against them and broken up.
  - akdor1154 4y ago
    It's very interesting.. i understand they have a strict approach of keeping teams entirely separate and with interaction between teams no different to interaction outside the org (API-always, bill-by-usage, ...) This has made AWS a very good provider overall, but it probably also makes them very able to cope with being forcibly separated. I wonder if that is a vulnerability or a planned strategy for this possibility?
- Jgrubb 4y ago
  Amazon didn't have that cash cow for the first 15 years or so they existed.
lprd 4y ago
Its scarier because there is no competition for amazon. The closest company that comes to mind is Alibaba/Aliexpress, but even they haven't had an affect on the US market to the extent that amazon has. The stores you mentioned are physical department stores, which have been competing in their own space for many, many years. Amazon originally disrupted the book market...now look at the amount of markets it dominates.
- sleepdreamy 4y ago
  Correct. AWS is god-tier and many non-technical users have any clue how Amazon actually works. They don't make money off your stupid ass delivers Nancy. Amazon has a monopoly with AWS and that is what people should really fear. Not Amazon, but the power of AWS
  - spaced-out 4y ago
    AWS has 33% of the cloud market share, I wouldn't exactly call that a monopoly. https://www.channele2e.com/news/cloud-market-share-amazon-aws-microsoft-azure-google/ https://www.channele2e.com/news/cloud-market-share-amazon-aw...
    - HWR_14 4y ago
      That's because they're also counting all the server on a rack rental companies as cloud market share. If you look at just the cloud the way AWS does it - running code through their service in various datacenters as a service, it's above 50%.
    - sleepdreamy 4y ago
      Source: I work in Critical Incident Response/IT Remediation AWS is absolutely a monopoly just like Microsoft has a monopoly on Corporate/Enterprise OS's tied to Domains. From a solely cloud based provider - not the Equipment renters or Volume based licensing. AWS is a monster - Their market share is well over 33% regardless of how many articles you google to link me. I am balls deep buddy. It is well over 33% (At least in the US)
humaniania 4y ago
Target and Walmart didn't create their own (bottom of the barrel, low quality, abusive, toxic) shipping contractor network to attack the strong labor unions of USPS, UPS, and to a lesser degree FedEx. Amazon is cheaper because of the people they screw over along the way. I boycott Amazon.

For what it's worth, neither Target nor Walmart have a wholly unrelated cash cow (AWS) to subsidize ventures into new markets at huge losses until market dominance is established.

toma_caliente 4y ago
This is the big one here. Amazon has a completely unrelated market dominate business that lets them enter new markets at a loss until they crush everyone currently in that market. Amazon is honestly the first company that needs to be broken up. Split up AWS and Amazon market and this becomes a whole new ballgame.
- mijowi 4y ago
  First company that needs to be broken up?? What about all the other monopolies that were busted?
  - coconut08 4y ago
    I think they mean at this current point in time amazon is the company that needs to be broken up first, as in take priority over companies like facebook and apple not that this is the first company in history that has required intervention.
  - toma_caliente 4y ago
    I mean of the current tech monopolies(Amazon, Google, etc), Amazon should take priority as the first company among them that needs antitrust lawsuits filed against them and broken up.
- akdor1154 4y ago
  It's very interesting.. i understand they have a strict approach of keeping teams entirely separate and with interaction between teams no different to interaction outside the org (API-always, bill-by-usage, ...) This has made AWS a very good provider overall, but it probably also makes them very able to cope with being forcibly separated. I wonder if that is a vulnerability or a planned strategy for this possibility?
Jgrubb 4y ago
Amazon didn't have that cash cow for the first 15 years or so they existed.

lprd 4y ago

Its scarier because there is no competition for amazon. The closest company that comes to mind is Alibaba/Aliexpress, but even they haven't had an affect on the US market to the extent that amazon has. The stores you mentioned are physical department stores, which have been competing in their own space for many, many years. Amazon originally disrupted the book market...now look at the amount of markets it dominates.

sleepdreamy 4y ago
Correct. AWS is god-tier and many non-technical users have any clue how Amazon actually works. They don't make money off your stupid ass delivers Nancy. Amazon has a monopoly with AWS and that is what people should really fear. Not Amazon, but the power of AWS
- spaced-out 4y ago
  AWS has 33% of the cloud market share, I wouldn't exactly call that a monopoly. https://www.channele2e.com/news/cloud-market-share-amazon-aws-microsoft-azure-google/ https://www.channele2e.com/news/cloud-market-share-amazon-aw...
  - HWR_14 4y ago
    That's because they're also counting all the server on a rack rental companies as cloud market share. If you look at just the cloud the way AWS does it - running code through their service in various datacenters as a service, it's above 50%.
  - sleepdreamy 4y ago
    Source: I work in Critical Incident Response/IT Remediation AWS is absolutely a monopoly just like Microsoft has a monopoly on Corporate/Enterprise OS's tied to Domains. From a solely cloud based provider - not the Equipment renters or Volume based licensing. AWS is a monster - Their market share is well over 33% regardless of how many articles you google to link me. I am balls deep buddy. It is well over 33% (At least in the US)

humaniania 4y ago

Target and Walmart didn't create their own (bottom of the barrel, low quality, abusive, toxic) shipping contractor network to attack the strong labor unions of USPS, UPS, and to a lesser degree FedEx. Amazon is cheaper because of the people they screw over along the way. I boycott Amazon.