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At the risk of running way off into a tangent... > we all agree that the way in which they are ought to be humane Do we? As far as I can tell, the currently

At the risk of running way off into a tangent... > we all agree that the way in which they are ought to be humane Do we? As far as I can tell, the currently accepted execution protocol (for lethal injection) is more about ensuring that the execution looks painless, and only secondarily about whether or not it is in fact painless. We don't use drugs to paralyze muscles and stop the heart when we humanely euthanize someone, why do we do this for executions?

mc32 4y ago
That’s a good question. Why couldn’t they use the cocktail given to assisted suicide subjects in Switzerland? Or any variety of cocktails (OD) known to be lethal to people? This still leaves an open question though. Why are people more concerned about the mode of execution of an adult vs the mode of termination of a foetus that could survive ex-utero in and neo-natal ICU?
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Almost no fetuses are terminated anywhere near the date of viability, much less afterwards. It is a non-issue. The vast majority of terminations happen before week 12, and no fetus is viable until sometime around week 22 (and only with heroic measures).
  - mc32 4y ago
    True but what is the pop total of executed on death row vs foetuses terminated in the third trimester?
  - anon291 4y ago
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/ss6907a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/ss6907a1.htm CDC says about 5000. Is 5000 almost none? So that means almost no people died on 9/11 (3000 deaths)? Also, no children were murdered in schools (About 200 since 1999 altogether). Imagine being so callous.
anon291 4y ago
I do think 'looking painless' is about as good as we're going to get when killing someone as you can't exactly ask them afterwards.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Then why do we not incorporate those two drugs in assisted suicide prescriptions? That's my point. We stop the heart because we intend to execute and we need to be sure. We paralyze the muscles because stopping the heart hurts, a lot, and people would squirm. We hope that the anesthetic is dulling the pain of that drug, but just in case it isn't we make sure the condemned can't show how much it hurts. I think we don't actually care if they hurt, and in fact we sorta do hope it hurts like hell. They're criminals, after all. We strongly deny, even in the face of pretty good evidence, that anyone innocent has ever been executed. Truth is we could execute people quite reliably with a small dose of fentanyl. Or we could use the accepted protocol for assisted suicide -- after all, we kill a lot more people with assisted suicide than by lethal injection, so we have a good amount of experience getting it right. I wonder about the stats on that -- how many failed suicides (of the assisted variety) compared with botched executions?
  - anon291 4y ago
    Honestly, I have no idea about assisted suicide, as i don't follow it that much. In oregon, i thought they give people a bunch of barbituates, which is like fentanyl? I don't know anything about failed assisted suicides. Sorry, I would like to engage in this discussion, but I simply know nothing. I do know about executions and wanting them to appear painless. Many people still want that despite never intending to witness an execution.

mc32 4y ago

That’s a good question. Why couldn’t they use the cocktail given to assisted suicide subjects in Switzerland? Or any variety of cocktails (OD) known to be lethal to people? This still leaves an open question though. Why are people more concerned about the mode of execution of an adult vs the mode of termination of a foetus that could survive ex-utero in and neo-natal ICU?

rootusrootus 4y ago
Almost no fetuses are terminated anywhere near the date of viability, much less afterwards. It is a non-issue. The vast majority of terminations happen before week 12, and no fetus is viable until sometime around week 22 (and only with heroic measures).
- mc32 4y ago
  True but what is the pop total of executed on death row vs foetuses terminated in the third trimester?
- anon291 4y ago
  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/ss6907a1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/ss6907a1.htm CDC says about 5000. Is 5000 almost none? So that means almost no people died on 9/11 (3000 deaths)? Also, no children were murdered in schools (About 200 since 1999 altogether). Imagine being so callous.

anon291 4y ago

I do think 'looking painless' is about as good as we're going to get when killing someone as you can't exactly ask them afterwards.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Then why do we not incorporate those two drugs in assisted suicide prescriptions? That's my point. We stop the heart because we intend to execute and we need to be sure. We paralyze the muscles because stopping the heart hurts, a lot, and people would squirm. We hope that the anesthetic is dulling the pain of that drug, but just in case it isn't we make sure the condemned can't show how much it hurts. I think we don't actually care if they hurt, and in fact we sorta do hope it hurts like hell. They're criminals, after all. We strongly deny, even in the face of pretty good evidence, that anyone innocent has ever been executed. Truth is we could execute people quite reliably with a small dose of fentanyl. Or we could use the accepted protocol for assisted suicide -- after all, we kill a lot more people with assisted suicide than by lethal injection, so we have a good amount of experience getting it right. I wonder about the stats on that -- how many failed suicides (of the assisted variety) compared with botched executions?
- anon291 4y ago
  Honestly, I have no idea about assisted suicide, as i don't follow it that much. In oregon, i thought they give people a bunch of barbituates, which is like fentanyl? I don't know anything about failed assisted suicides. Sorry, I would like to engage in this discussion, but I simply know nothing. I do know about executions and wanting them to appear painless. Many people still want that despite never intending to witness an execution.