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On the other hand, that advice would have killed off Tesla and SpaceX at least 15 years ago.

by memish 4y ago

ncmncm 4y ago
We can dream.
- dvt 4y ago
  What's up with the weird Elon hate recently? I don't care for the guy one way or another, but it's just bizarre. Plus, I have friends that worked for both Tesla and SpaceX and from what I hear, apart from being big and corporate-y, it's a pretty awesome place to be at.
  - christkv 4y ago
    He’s of the wrong tribe now it seems
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      No.
  - memish 4y ago
    He challenged the narrative and now he's a sworn enemy of the establishment.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
    - drewrv 4y ago
      The stuff he’s criticized for doesn’t “challenge” any narrative. It’s all self inflicted like lying about FSD or calling someone a “pedo”. And what do you consider “the establishment” to be exactly?
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    It is not weird. He is the world's biggest grifter. Precisely, a great deal more of what he says is a lie than is true, and he has profited more from his grift than anybody except (maybe!) Putin. Pedo Guy. Hyperloop. Full Self-driving. Electric truck-tractor. Cybertruck. Sub-orbital passenger service. Sub-orbital freight. One-day turnaround. Mars Colonization. (To be clear: Starship, even 1000 of them, is totally inadequate to colonize Mars, and barely enough, maybe, to maintain an outpost. And it takes 9, not 6 months to get there. And one ship could take 17, at most, not 100 people.)
    - hinkley 4y ago
      I used to work with an ex paypal employee who carried around a block of salt for Elon Musk. I never did get the full story. You could see the hate-lines coming off of the guy any time you accidentally mentioned the two in the same sentence. On the Starship front, I don't doubt that he's moved the needle, but I think people are also glossing over that whole, "Send up multiple ships, have them all transfer fuel to another ship in zero G" bit. It's presented as a 2:1 thing but does the math work out for that, or is it three ships combining fuel into a single vessel?
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        More than 3. I am seeing 10.
    - dvt 4y ago
      > He is the world's biggest grifter I mean, this is a bit dramatic, don't you think? Or do you not know who Jordan Belfort and Bernie Madoff are? Apart from annoyingly trolling Twitter, I don't really think Musk's really done anything that terrible. Just seems like weird and reactionary "rich guy = bad" groupthink. I remember when everyone hated Bill Gates, but I guess now he's a humanitarian so it's totally cool.
      - ncmncm 4y ago
        Bill Gates, Bernie Madoff, and Jordan Belfort are smaller grifters, the latter two much smaller. (Gates, additionally, was tight with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, also a much smaller grifter.) Rich does not mean bad. Grift is bad. I think there is a difference. Or do you mean that nobody can be that rich without being a grifter? That might be true, but I don't think of Warren Buffet as one. Or even Jeff Bezos.

On the other hand, that advice would have killed off Tesla and SpaceX at least 15 years ago.

by memish 4y ago

On the other hand, that advice would have killed off Tesla and SpaceX at least 15 years ago.

ncmncm 4y ago

We can dream.

dvt 4y ago
What's up with the weird Elon hate recently? I don't care for the guy one way or another, but it's just bizarre. Plus, I have friends that worked for both Tesla and SpaceX and from what I hear, apart from being big and corporate-y, it's a pretty awesome place to be at.
- christkv 4y ago
  He’s of the wrong tribe now it seems
  - ncmncm 4y ago
    No.
- memish 4y ago
  He challenged the narrative and now he's a sworn enemy of the establishment.
  - ncmncm 4y ago
  - drewrv 4y ago
    The stuff he’s criticized for doesn’t “challenge” any narrative. It’s all self inflicted like lying about FSD or calling someone a “pedo”. And what do you consider “the establishment” to be exactly?
- ncmncm 4y ago
  It is not weird. He is the world's biggest grifter. Precisely, a great deal more of what he says is a lie than is true, and he has profited more from his grift than anybody except (maybe!) Putin. Pedo Guy. Hyperloop. Full Self-driving. Electric truck-tractor. Cybertruck. Sub-orbital passenger service. Sub-orbital freight. One-day turnaround. Mars Colonization. (To be clear: Starship, even 1000 of them, is totally inadequate to colonize Mars, and barely enough, maybe, to maintain an outpost. And it takes 9, not 6 months to get there. And one ship could take 17, at most, not 100 people.)
  - hinkley 4y ago
    I used to work with an ex paypal employee who carried around a block of salt for Elon Musk. I never did get the full story. You could see the hate-lines coming off of the guy any time you accidentally mentioned the two in the same sentence. On the Starship front, I don't doubt that he's moved the needle, but I think people are also glossing over that whole, "Send up multiple ships, have them all transfer fuel to another ship in zero G" bit. It's presented as a 2:1 thing but does the math work out for that, or is it three ships combining fuel into a single vessel?
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      More than 3. I am seeing 10.
  - dvt 4y ago
    > He is the world's biggest grifter I mean, this is a bit dramatic, don't you think? Or do you not know who Jordan Belfort and Bernie Madoff are? Apart from annoyingly trolling Twitter, I don't really think Musk's really done anything that terrible. Just seems like weird and reactionary "rich guy = bad" groupthink. I remember when everyone hated Bill Gates, but I guess now he's a humanitarian so it's totally cool.
    - ncmncm 4y ago
      Bill Gates, Bernie Madoff, and Jordan Belfort are smaller grifters, the latter two much smaller. (Gates, additionally, was tight with Jeffrey Epstein for decades, also a much smaller grifter.) Rich does not mean bad. Grift is bad. I think there is a difference. Or do you mean that nobody can be that rich without being a grifter? That might be true, but I don't think of Warren Buffet as one. Or even Jeff Bezos.