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True. Lobotomies used to be common practice as well. Even a surgery performed recently, UPPP, for treating sleep apnea is "no longer recommended"... It was only

by anonu 4y ago

True. Lobotomies used to be common practice as well. Even a surgery performed recently, UPPP, for treating sleep apnea is "no longer recommended"... It was only five or ten years ago where they would perform this incredibly invasive surgery, but enough research shows they're not that effective.

RobertRoberts 4y ago
You are proving the OP's point. Cutting off your uvula? It sounds insane to me, and I wouldn't have the procedure even if a doctor recommended it to me. There are so many totally insane medical practices that it's shocking we don't question the medical industry as a rule of thumb. Another one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_infection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_infection_theory
- saurik 4y ago
  > You are proving the OP's point. That would seem to be why they left the comment, so: mission successful.
  - RobertRoberts 4y ago
    No, the post was attempting to demonstrate how the medical system is effective and works as intended by correcting the use of UPPP, when any sane rational person would never have suggested in the first place.
diob 4y ago
Grateful I turned that shit down in 2012. Even then the evidence against it was overwhelming (basically, it makes sleep apnea worse because scar tissue comes back fierce).
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Spoom 4y ago
I get the impression that a lot of gynecological care is in the same realm, but I don't have the equipment to have first hand anecdotal evidence. Heard many a horror story about IUD placement / removal, where folks were told that a Tylenol would be enough.
- bad416f1f5a2 4y ago
  Medical racism and sexism are very real. One in four residents believe blacks have thicker skin than whites: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1516047113 https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1516047113
  - 9991 4y ago
    And? Is it true?
    - jacobolus 4y ago
      From a brief skim of the literature, the main difference seems to be that darker skin is better protected against aging effects from sun exposure, and better maintains its elasticity (etc.) when exposed to ultraviolet radiation over decades. But less research than might be expected has been done about other differences between the skin of different groups. * * * > There exists substantial evidence to support that Black skin has a higher transepidermal water loss, variable blood vessel reactivity, decreased skin surface pH, and larger mast cell granules compared with White skin. Although some deductions have been made about Asian and Hispanic skin, further evaluation needs to be done. Differences in water content, corneocyte desquamation, elastic recovery/extensibility, lipid content and skin microflora, although statistically significant, are inconclusive. https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00128071-200304120-00004 https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00128071-200304120... > The thickness of the skin is higher on the cheek compared with the dorsal and ventral forearm, with no ethnic or age-related specificity. We confirm that the sub-epidermal non-echogenic band is a sensitive marker of skin aging, and reveal for the first time that it is less pronounced in African Americans. From OCT images, we bring out evidence that the thickness of the dermal–epidermal junction (DEJ) decreased with age, and was higher in African Americans than in Caucasians. Finally, by comparing US images at 150 MHz with OCT images, we show that papillary dermis thickness can be measured and appears to be quite constant irrespective of age or ethnic group. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0846.2009.00365.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0846... > Skin roughness, scaliness and stratum corneum hydration varied significantly in different anatomic areas and age groups. There was no racial variation in skin hydration between any anatomic site, nor significant differences in roughness and scaliness between races, except for the preauricular area. Skin roughness was significantly increased in the aged, compared to the young at the preauricle, volar forearm, lower back, thigh and lower leg. Older women demonstrated significantly more scaling at the preauricle than younger women. Stratum corneum hydration correlated with scaliness. No significant correlation between stratum corneum hydration and skin roughness was observed. https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/17932 https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/17932
kif 4y ago
What is considered to be the best treatment for apnea these days? Is it ESP, or something else? Besides CPAP of course.
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- o_____________o 4y ago
  There are some pretty interesting procedures like MSE that aim to expand your skull internally by putting lateral outward pressure on your palate. The immediate effects are a new gap between your two front teeth and greatly expanded breathing capacity. Hopefully. People have various ways of describing the moment two parts of your internal skull bits separate, once described as "radiant pleasure without actual pleasure"
  - kif 4y ago
    I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before. Looks very intriguing.
- jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 4y ago
  Losing weight.
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    That's only if your weight is the cause.
    - jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 4y ago
      "Some 60–90% of adults with OSA are overweight" https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/31/Supplement_2/S303/24789/Abdominal-Fat-and-Sleep-ApneaThe-chicken-or-the https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/31/Supplement_2/S3...
      - 4y ago

by anonu 4y ago

RobertRoberts 4y ago

You are proving the OP's point. Cutting off your uvula? It sounds insane to me, and I wouldn't have the procedure even if a doctor recommended it to me. There are so many totally insane medical practices that it's shocking we don't question the medical industry as a rule of thumb. Another one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_infection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_infection_theory

saurik 4y ago
> You are proving the OP's point. That would seem to be why they left the comment, so: mission successful.
- RobertRoberts 4y ago
  No, the post was attempting to demonstrate how the medical system is effective and works as intended by correcting the use of UPPP, when any sane rational person would never have suggested in the first place.

diob 4y ago

Grateful I turned that shit down in 2012. Even then the evidence against it was overwhelming (basically, it makes sleep apnea worse because scar tissue comes back fierce).

deleted 4y ago
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Spoom 4y ago

I get the impression that a lot of gynecological care is in the same realm, but I don't have the equipment to have first hand anecdotal evidence. Heard many a horror story about IUD placement / removal, where folks were told that a Tylenol would be enough.

bad416f1f5a2 4y ago
Medical racism and sexism are very real. One in four residents believe blacks have thicker skin than whites: https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1516047113 https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1516047113
- 9991 4y ago
  And? Is it true?
  - jacobolus 4y ago
    From a brief skim of the literature, the main difference seems to be that darker skin is better protected against aging effects from sun exposure, and better maintains its elasticity (etc.) when exposed to ultraviolet radiation over decades. But less research than might be expected has been done about other differences between the skin of different groups. * * * > There exists substantial evidence to support that Black skin has a higher transepidermal water loss, variable blood vessel reactivity, decreased skin surface pH, and larger mast cell granules compared with White skin. Although some deductions have been made about Asian and Hispanic skin, further evaluation needs to be done. Differences in water content, corneocyte desquamation, elastic recovery/extensibility, lipid content and skin microflora, although statistically significant, are inconclusive. https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00128071-200304120-00004 https://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00128071-200304120... > The thickness of the skin is higher on the cheek compared with the dorsal and ventral forearm, with no ethnic or age-related specificity. We confirm that the sub-epidermal non-echogenic band is a sensitive marker of skin aging, and reveal for the first time that it is less pronounced in African Americans. From OCT images, we bring out evidence that the thickness of the dermal–epidermal junction (DEJ) decreased with age, and was higher in African Americans than in Caucasians. Finally, by comparing US images at 150 MHz with OCT images, we show that papillary dermis thickness can be measured and appears to be quite constant irrespective of age or ethnic group. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0846.2009.00365.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0846... > Skin roughness, scaliness and stratum corneum hydration varied significantly in different anatomic areas and age groups. There was no racial variation in skin hydration between any anatomic site, nor significant differences in roughness and scaliness between races, except for the preauricular area. Skin roughness was significantly increased in the aged, compared to the young at the preauricle, volar forearm, lower back, thigh and lower leg. Older women demonstrated significantly more scaling at the preauricle than younger women. Stratum corneum hydration correlated with scaliness. No significant correlation between stratum corneum hydration and skin roughness was observed. https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/17932 https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/17932

kif 4y ago

What is considered to be the best treatment for apnea these days? Is it ESP, or something else? Besides CPAP of course.

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
o_____________o 4y ago
There are some pretty interesting procedures like MSE that aim to expand your skull internally by putting lateral outward pressure on your palate. The immediate effects are a new gap between your two front teeth and greatly expanded breathing capacity. Hopefully. People have various ways of describing the moment two parts of your internal skull bits separate, once described as "radiant pleasure without actual pleasure"
- kif 4y ago
  I can't believe I hadn't heard about this before. Looks very intriguing.
jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 4y ago
Losing weight.
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  That's only if your weight is the cause.
  - jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 4y ago
    "Some 60–90% of adults with OSA are overweight" https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/31/Supplement_2/S303/24789/Abdominal-Fat-and-Sleep-ApneaThe-chicken-or-the https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/31/Supplement_2/S3...
    - 4y ago