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I am sure Ukrainians feel very sorry about inconveniencing Europeans but apparently they have decided to fight regardless of whether the West sends them weapons

I am sure Ukrainians feel very sorry about inconveniencing Europeans but apparently they have decided to fight regardless of whether the West sends them weapons or not. At this point the West can watch them die or help them fight.

nemo44x 4y ago
It doesn't really matter now. Russia is about to reclaim the Eastern lands it wanted and then we'll hear about "negotiated cease fire" and the war will be over and a pointless waste of lives will have occurred as well as trillions in economic damages. Russia literally had a 0% chance of losing this thing in the end. Ukraine did well to defend early and Russia certainly mismanaged the strategy. Going at the mainland was stupid and indefensible and the Ukraine fighters should be commended. But it was never the main objective and the truth is, Russia is on the verge of accomplishing their main objective. It's time to stop fighting.
- AzzieElbab 4y ago
  why do you assume Russia wanted only the Eastern lands? Putin said he wanted all of Ukraine. The invasion started with attempt to take Kyiv. Why level Kharkiv if all you want is Donbas?
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    I think it was strategic to end the war quickly. They knew if they invaded the East it would be a drawn out thing. So they went for the head shot right away and hoped they could pressure a negotiation. But to their credit, Ukraine stood up to it and the Russian execution of their plan was poor. So they've since abandoned that strategy and have now settled for plan-b, which they will win eventually. It's time to stop losing lives and to try diplomacy.
    - AzzieElbab 4y ago
      You think the strategy was to take Kyiv(the cradle and former capital of Kievlyan Russia)and then exchange it for war-torn Donbas? That would be like Israelis exchanging Jerusalem for Gaza
      - nemo44x 4y ago
        Not take but threaten. And yes, Russia wants the buffer zone.

nemo44x 4y ago

It doesn't really matter now. Russia is about to reclaim the Eastern lands it wanted and then we'll hear about "negotiated cease fire" and the war will be over and a pointless waste of lives will have occurred as well as trillions in economic damages. Russia literally had a 0% chance of losing this thing in the end. Ukraine did well to defend early and Russia certainly mismanaged the strategy. Going at the mainland was stupid and indefensible and the Ukraine fighters should be commended. But it was never the main objective and the truth is, Russia is on the verge of accomplishing their main objective. It's time to stop fighting.

AzzieElbab 4y ago
why do you assume Russia wanted only the Eastern lands? Putin said he wanted all of Ukraine. The invasion started with attempt to take Kyiv. Why level Kharkiv if all you want is Donbas?
- nemo44x 4y ago
  I think it was strategic to end the war quickly. They knew if they invaded the East it would be a drawn out thing. So they went for the head shot right away and hoped they could pressure a negotiation. But to their credit, Ukraine stood up to it and the Russian execution of their plan was poor. So they've since abandoned that strategy and have now settled for plan-b, which they will win eventually. It's time to stop losing lives and to try diplomacy.
  - AzzieElbab 4y ago
    You think the strategy was to take Kyiv(the cradle and former capital of Kievlyan Russia)and then exchange it for war-torn Donbas? That would be like Israelis exchanging Jerusalem for Gaza
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      Not take but threaten. And yes, Russia wants the buffer zone.