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Never really happened in my country. The second tier complained at one point, and peacefully reached an agreement with the top tier (Magna Carta.) Other than th

Never really happened in my country. The second tier complained at one point, and peacefully reached an agreement with the top tier (Magna Carta.) Other than that top families basically unchanged 1000 years.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Uh, what about the time that Parliament decapitated the king and established a Puritan dictatorship for a minute
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > for a minute Exactly. Didn't really change which broad group of families were in control (some were lowered a peg through taxes for supporting the wrong side.)
jjulius 4y ago
>Never really happened in my country. >Other than that top families basically unchanged 1000 years. So we've shifted the goalposts from "all of human history" to "in my country" and only for the past "1000 years".
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > So we've shifted the goalposts No... why do you think that? > The top 10% of the population hold 70% of the total wealth. That's basically been the case everywhere, all the time. In other countries the 'top 10%' has changed hands through revolution, war, etc, but it's still 10% controlling 70% (or whatever) - because they take the last 10%'s 70% and carry on! No goal posts moved there. Someone asked a separate question about revolution, and I said even that's not successfully happened where I live. I wasn't making a broader point with that answer to that question. > "all of human history" to "in my country" and only for the past "1000 years" I mean... are you under some sort of misapprehension that before 1000 and outside of the UK there was some kind of democratic socialist consensus? Fraid not.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    It's fairly simple, really. You said that wealth ratios have remained the same "for all of human history". Someone came back and pointed out that it hasn't always remained that way and there have certainly been blips. You then responded by saying "not in my country" for the past "1000 years". Well, according to your first assertion we're not supposed to cover only your country for the past 1,000 years. We're supposed to cover all of human history - every nation, as far back as at least 10,000BCE.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      Think you're mis-reading or misunderstanding! > Someone came back and pointed out that it hasn't always remained that way and there have certainly been blips The blips didn't change the ratios though. Ratios have stayed the same. > You then responded by saying "not in my country" for the past "1000 years". Yeah - my country hasn't really had those blips. And the blips in other countries didn't change the ratios anyway, just transferred who owned them, so it was a separate point. > Well, according to your first assertion we're not supposed to cover only your country for the past 1,000 years. No it was a separate comment and point!

Apocryphon 4y ago

Uh, what about the time that Parliament decapitated the king and established a Puritan dictatorship for a minute

chrisseaton 4y ago
> for a minute Exactly. Didn't really change which broad group of families were in control (some were lowered a peg through taxes for supporting the wrong side.)

jjulius 4y ago

>Never really happened in my country. >Other than that top families basically unchanged 1000 years. So we've shifted the goalposts from "all of human history" to "in my country" and only for the past "1000 years".

chrisseaton 4y ago
> So we've shifted the goalposts No... why do you think that? > The top 10% of the population hold 70% of the total wealth. That's basically been the case everywhere, all the time. In other countries the 'top 10%' has changed hands through revolution, war, etc, but it's still 10% controlling 70% (or whatever) - because they take the last 10%'s 70% and carry on! No goal posts moved there. Someone asked a separate question about revolution, and I said even that's not successfully happened where I live. I wasn't making a broader point with that answer to that question. > "all of human history" to "in my country" and only for the past "1000 years" I mean... are you under some sort of misapprehension that before 1000 and outside of the UK there was some kind of democratic socialist consensus? Fraid not.
- jjulius 4y ago
  It's fairly simple, really. You said that wealth ratios have remained the same "for all of human history". Someone came back and pointed out that it hasn't always remained that way and there have certainly been blips. You then responded by saying "not in my country" for the past "1000 years". Well, according to your first assertion we're not supposed to cover only your country for the past 1,000 years. We're supposed to cover all of human history - every nation, as far back as at least 10,000BCE.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Think you're mis-reading or misunderstanding! > Someone came back and pointed out that it hasn't always remained that way and there have certainly been blips The blips didn't change the ratios though. Ratios have stayed the same. > You then responded by saying "not in my country" for the past "1000 years". Yeah - my country hasn't really had those blips. And the blips in other countries didn't change the ratios anyway, just transferred who owned them, so it was a separate point. > Well, according to your first assertion we're not supposed to cover only your country for the past 1,000 years. No it was a separate comment and point!