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> something exists or something doesn't and I have no strong evidence I assume it doesn't Sure, and Louis Pasteur was initially a crank for claiming that invis

> something exists or something doesn't and I have no strong evidence I assume it doesn't Sure, and Louis Pasteur was initially a crank for claiming that invisible micro-organisms were causing infection and disease. Absence of perception does not rationally conclude something is therefore absent. > I need a reason to change mine from the default option. The default option is faith/belief. You don't have "strong evidence" each day that the sky will be the same color, the sun will come up, your dining room chair will still hold your weight, your best friend still loves and cares for you, and that your car will likely start. A large majority of your life behavior cruises along quite happily on faith/belief. Or do you start every day re-checking all the proofs of the physical world before you can do anything?

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
> Sure, and Louis Pasteur was a crank for claiming that invisible micro-organisms were causing infection and disease. Your absence of perception does not mean the evidence is absent. I don't understand your example. Louis Pasteur determined germ theory by observations of natural phenomena - he observed evidence, experimented, and found an explanation for said evidence. In this case I'd need to see direct evidence of a purpose and a means by which I could observe or experiment with said purpose. > The default option is faith/belief. You need to provide some reasoning behind that. And which faith? Some belief? Some god? Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster, and the theory of Atlantis? > You don't have "strong evidence" each day that the sky will be the same color, the sun will come up, your dining room chair will still hold your weight, your best friend still loves and cares for you, and that your car will likely start at the crank of the key. You're not understanding - I'd need to have some form of reason to believe that the sky would change, or that the dining room chair's properties would change. I'm saying that my understanding of the world is based upon observations. I observed the sun comes up every day so I assume that it will tomorrow. Unless something acts on it it will continue to do so I have no reason to not assume that. For it to not come up the next day without any reason to would in fact be a supernatural phenomena.
- dQw4w9WgXcQ 4y ago
  > I'm saying that my understanding of the world is based upon observations > Your absence of perception does not mean the evidence is absent. And what I'm saying is that the absence of a "thing observed" can have multiple reasons for "not being observed" - 1) it really doesn't exist or 2) you lack the ability to observe it. If you don't have a microscope it's hard to confirm the existence of cells, and if your life has been lived in a way that you lack the "spiritual scope" and ways of thinking to perceive purpose then of course you will not observe it.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    What "spiritual scope"? There are many and involve different things. No way does a Christian Monk, a Greek Oracle, a Buddhist monk, a viking warrior, and a caveman have the same spiritual scope. How many are denied enlightenment? This has become a secret thing that you should discover and know and most won't know which tells me it's not actually important or required to know.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

> Sure, and Louis Pasteur was a crank for claiming that invisible micro-organisms were causing infection and disease. Your absence of perception does not mean the evidence is absent. I don't understand your example. Louis Pasteur determined germ theory by observations of natural phenomena - he observed evidence, experimented, and found an explanation for said evidence. In this case I'd need to see direct evidence of a purpose and a means by which I could observe or experiment with said purpose. > The default option is faith/belief. You need to provide some reasoning behind that. And which faith? Some belief? Some god? Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster, and the theory of Atlantis? > You don't have "strong evidence" each day that the sky will be the same color, the sun will come up, your dining room chair will still hold your weight, your best friend still loves and cares for you, and that your car will likely start at the crank of the key. You're not understanding - I'd need to have some form of reason to believe that the sky would change, or that the dining room chair's properties would change. I'm saying that my understanding of the world is based upon observations. I observed the sun comes up every day so I assume that it will tomorrow. Unless something acts on it it will continue to do so I have no reason to not assume that. For it to not come up the next day without any reason to would in fact be a supernatural phenomena.

dQw4w9WgXcQ 4y ago
> I'm saying that my understanding of the world is based upon observations > Your absence of perception does not mean the evidence is absent. And what I'm saying is that the absence of a "thing observed" can have multiple reasons for "not being observed" - 1) it really doesn't exist or 2) you lack the ability to observe it. If you don't have a microscope it's hard to confirm the existence of cells, and if your life has been lived in a way that you lack the "spiritual scope" and ways of thinking to perceive purpose then of course you will not observe it.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  What "spiritual scope"? There are many and involve different things. No way does a Christian Monk, a Greek Oracle, a Buddhist monk, a viking warrior, and a caveman have the same spiritual scope. How many are denied enlightenment? This has become a secret thing that you should discover and know and most won't know which tells me it's not actually important or required to know.