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I downvoted them and I'm Polish - I see Ukrainian people on our streets every day, I hear their stories and their suffering all the time, my family is housing s

I downvoted them and I'm Polish - I see Ukrainian people on our streets every day, I hear their stories and their suffering all the time, my family is housing several refugees already. The stuff that Russia is doing to that country is making my blood boil. If anything, I'm incredibly upset that EU is not doing more to tighten the screw on Russia. If we are unwilling to send our militaries to fight Russia in Ukraine, then we should completely and entirely stop doing any business with that murderous, warmongering country, no matter the cost to ourselves. I mean it.

cpursley 4y ago
Y'all need to be realistic about the energy situation or you'll have bigger problems than Russia.
- peter422 4y ago
  Well why stop at Ukraine? Why not let Russia have all of Europe is everybody is so dependent on them for energy?
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Article 5: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm
thereddaikon 4y ago
If it wasn't for Russia having nukes I think your government may have already joined the war at this point. Poland has made Germany look really bad in how much more forthcoming its been in aiding Ukraine against Russian aggression.
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tut-urut-utut 4y ago
Then let's agree that we don't agree. And if we can't find a common interest, let's just split the EU.
ptsneves 4y ago
Propaganda and fear mongering in Poland is so high that news are meaningless. The current political topic is that Germany would support Russia if Russia invaded Poland and would split it between. This is not a fringe thing it is a political topic of the day! In the mean time the current president looks like a Zeleski's bro, and PiS supporters chant for Jarek the same way you would chant for Putin. Yes you hear Ukrainian/Russian in the street, but I am not sure you hear much gratitude. I certainly do not and I also live and travel in the country. I actually know of families hosting for 2 months and the people they hosted left in one day and never said anything back. Others had everything set here, like employment housing etc but went back to Ukraine or to Germany. The ones who went to Germany regret it as they are not pampered like in Poland. Hell even in euro vision song contest the polish got the taste of Ukrainian gratitude for the polish unconditional solidarity. There are grateful Ukrainians but those already were in Poland got their life's easier now thankfully. The refugees could not care less about Poland. Actually historically the Ukrainians and Poles haves as bad blood as with the Russians or Germans. As a foreigner what i see Poland needs, is to continue to get stronger economically so it can support a very advanced armed forces that could wipe the floor with the Russians. Poland needs to be needed and that is achieved by being an economic powerhouse on which the great powers depend. In the past Poland was left alone because it was not worth the trouble. Look at Taiwan, they sure know how to make themselves worth the trouble. The "honor" thing in polish culture is so self destructive: Throw everything away for honor. Let's keep growing and stronger, it will not be long before Russia is a nuisance. The goal is to survive and to win, not to go down in history with honor.

cpursley 4y ago

Y'all need to be realistic about the energy situation or you'll have bigger problems than Russia.

peter422 4y ago
Well why stop at Ukraine? Why not let Russia have all of Europe is everybody is so dependent on them for energy?
- cpursley 4y ago
  Article 5: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

thereddaikon 4y ago

If it wasn't for Russia having nukes I think your government may have already joined the war at this point. Poland has made Germany look really bad in how much more forthcoming its been in aiding Ukraine against Russian aggression.

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tut-urut-utut 4y ago

Then let's agree that we don't agree. And if we can't find a common interest, let's just split the EU.

ptsneves 4y ago

Propaganda and fear mongering in Poland is so high that news are meaningless. The current political topic is that Germany would support Russia if Russia invaded Poland and would split it between. This is not a fringe thing it is a political topic of the day! In the mean time the current president looks like a Zeleski's bro, and PiS supporters chant for Jarek the same way you would chant for Putin. Yes you hear Ukrainian/Russian in the street, but I am not sure you hear much gratitude. I certainly do not and I also live and travel in the country. I actually know of families hosting for 2 months and the people they hosted left in one day and never said anything back. Others had everything set here, like employment housing etc but went back to Ukraine or to Germany. The ones who went to Germany regret it as they are not pampered like in Poland. Hell even in euro vision song contest the polish got the taste of Ukrainian gratitude for the polish unconditional solidarity. There are grateful Ukrainians but those already were in Poland got their life's easier now thankfully. The refugees could not care less about Poland. Actually historically the Ukrainians and Poles haves as bad blood as with the Russians or Germans. As a foreigner what i see Poland needs, is to continue to get stronger economically so it can support a very advanced armed forces that could wipe the floor with the Russians. Poland needs to be needed and that is achieved by being an economic powerhouse on which the great powers depend. In the past Poland was left alone because it was not worth the trouble. Look at Taiwan, they sure know how to make themselves worth the trouble. The "honor" thing in polish culture is so self destructive: Throw everything away for honor. Let's keep growing and stronger, it will not be long before Russia is a nuisance. The goal is to survive and to win, not to go down in history with honor.