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What kind of moronic dismissal is that? Avoiding nuclear war should be our #1 priority. "Oh those stupid idiots are scared of nuclear war"

gambiting 4y ago
I do believe that it's not "at all cost" though. Otherwise a nuclear power could do literally anything and you wouldn't be able to stop them "because nukes". If Putin started rolling tanks into Poland saying "don't stop me or I'll fire nukes" that would be the time to call his bluff, even if the consequences of getting this wrong are dire. The line has to be somewhere - right now it's the border of NATO member countries.
- vogre 4y ago
  You forget there are two red lines and vague space between them. For NATO the borders of its members are red line. For Putin the red line is borders of Russia, that include Crimea and L/DPR for now. There is no way Putin leaves Crimea and nukes are not send to the Washington.
  - varjag 4y ago
    Ever wondered how Russia became the largest country out there? The borders of Russia end where Russia gets a bloody snot.
    - vogre 4y ago
      Not actually true. Current borders of Russia are defined by its reckless self-destruction in 1991. Also some land on the east of Russia was given away without any fight. For example, Alaska or Fort Ross.
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dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
So Putin might nuke us and therefor we should be afraid to stand up to him and essentially let him have whatever he wants? That's truly moronic.
varjag 4y ago
- LewisVerstappen 4y ago
  > It's the spineless cowards like you who brought us to this point. Lmao okay buddy. I'd argue that emotionally-charged rhetoric like that is exactly what got the West (the US especially) into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. Charged rhetoric by emotional war hawks who kept shouting "you're either with us or against us" used to mask lies by US politicians and the media. Note - I'm not saying we do nothing to help Ukraine. Economic sanctions and supporting the Ukrainian military is great. But the West must be careful to avoid escalating to WW3.
  - varjag 4y ago
    Oh yes Afghanistan where the fears of nuclear retaliation ran especially high. But whatever. If Ukraine folds, 24-feb-2022 will be pinned in history books as the start of WW3 and in a few years all your fears will come to fruition. A coward dies a thousand deaths.

gambiting 4y ago

I do believe that it's not "at all cost" though. Otherwise a nuclear power could do literally anything and you wouldn't be able to stop them "because nukes". If Putin started rolling tanks into Poland saying "don't stop me or I'll fire nukes" that would be the time to call his bluff, even if the consequences of getting this wrong are dire. The line has to be somewhere - right now it's the border of NATO member countries.

vogre 4y ago
You forget there are two red lines and vague space between them. For NATO the borders of its members are red line. For Putin the red line is borders of Russia, that include Crimea and L/DPR for now. There is no way Putin leaves Crimea and nukes are not send to the Washington.
- varjag 4y ago
  Ever wondered how Russia became the largest country out there? The borders of Russia end where Russia gets a bloody snot.
  - vogre 4y ago
    Not actually true. Current borders of Russia are defined by its reckless self-destruction in 1991. Also some land on the east of Russia was given away without any fight. For example, Alaska or Fort Ross.

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dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago

So Putin might nuke us and therefor we should be afraid to stand up to him and essentially let him have whatever he wants? That's truly moronic.

varjag 4y ago

LewisVerstappen 4y ago
> It's the spineless cowards like you who brought us to this point. Lmao okay buddy. I'd argue that emotionally-charged rhetoric like that is exactly what got the West (the US especially) into the mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. Charged rhetoric by emotional war hawks who kept shouting "you're either with us or against us" used to mask lies by US politicians and the media. Note - I'm not saying we do nothing to help Ukraine. Economic sanctions and supporting the Ukrainian military is great. But the West must be careful to avoid escalating to WW3.
- varjag 4y ago
  Oh yes Afghanistan where the fears of nuclear retaliation ran especially high. But whatever. If Ukraine folds, 24-feb-2022 will be pinned in history books as the start of WW3 and in a few years all your fears will come to fruition. A coward dies a thousand deaths.