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What on earth are you talking about? At which technical conference were such accusations or jokes about men? Where in the technical community are men characte

What on earth are you talking about? At which technical conference were such accusations or jokes about men? Where in the technical community are men characterized as buffoons or monsters to general feminist approval?

_debug_ 15y ago
The parent did not say that the jokes about men were at technical conferences. I believe he was referring to all domains, not just programming / technical conferences.
- dgabriel 15y ago
  This is hacker news, so I would expect we would target technical arenas. I'm not going to argue the other stuff, because it is completely off-topic, derails the conversation, and is generally uninteresting to other readers. I have also found that internet arguments about men v. women get ugly and out of control very quickly.
DuncanIdaho 15y ago
>One in five (18 percent) of men have been victims of domestic violence by a wife or female partner as opposed to 13 percent of women by a man. >One in nine women admit to having used physical aggression against a husband or male partner (compared to one in ten men) >14 percent of men say that they have been slapped by a partner (compared to 9 percent of women) >11 percent of men have had a partner threaten to throw something heavy at them (compared to 8 percent of women) >Only 4 percent of women explained that their behavior (either verbal or physical) was because of drink or drugs (compared to ten percent of men) >Nearly half (47 percent) of women say that their behaviour (physical or verbal aggression or verbal reasoning) was because "it was the only way I could get through to him" >Working class men (20 percent) are more likely to have been subjected to physical agression by a wife or female partner than upper or middle class men (15 percent) >Here and Now's survey reveals that fifteen percent (6.3 million people) of the population say that they have been subjected to physical agression by a husband/wife or hetrosexual partner. >MORI interviewed a representitive quota sample of 1,978 adults in Great Britain. 1,865 of whom had ever been in a personal relationship with the opposite sex. >Field work was conducted from 17-21 November 1994 in 150 constituencies. All interviews were conducted face to face in home employing a self completion technique. Data have been weighted to the known profile of the British population. [1]: http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm Merely mentioning that in contemporary times, sexism towards men may be more prevalent as vice versa gets one booed off the stage. And your question is loaded. There are plenty of sexist jokes going around on medical conferences. Mere notion that women, do not make sexist jokes against men, I find offensive. When in reality, a man complaining about it would be seen as a pussy (sexism?). In the country where I live it is practically impossible to get stewardship of your kid if you are a man and mother also wants it. Hell I know cases where mother doesn't want the kid, but takes him just to spite the father. There are loads of evidence that modern civilization is doing something very wrong with its men (especially young men). Lack of role models, bias towards women in affirmative action, bias against men in legislative and enforcement action is resulting in a dramatic shift of gender equality. And in a bad way. I know dozens of attractive, educated, successful women who can't get a proper mate. Its a sellers market out there for ambitious, educated, refined man - lets say a classic gentleman.
- electromagnetic 15y ago
  I understand your point, and I know what you mean. It's impossible to watch a commercial on TV without the guy being an idiot and the woman being intelligent, no matter what the subject is. I did sociology and I'm aware of the statistics, however the statistics don't tell the truth. On average the top 10% of women are only as strong as the bottom 10% of men. IIRC your average 25 year old woman who goes to the gym is only as strong as a 14/15 year old boy. The difference between my wife hitting me is at worst a bruise, and me hitting my wife is a fractured skull. The difference between my wife slapping me is a red mark on my face, and me slapping my wife is her being knocked to the floor. I can take my wifes wrist in one hand and I can force her to the ground or I would break her arm if she resisted. If my wife takes my wrist in both hands, she's struggling to even force me to move my arm (this one she tried the other day cause I wouldn't touch the pumpkin goop). The average woman has around 50% of the upper body strength of a male. Male bones are on average larger and denser than womens. Similarly our skulls are thicker, denser and have features like a bigger brow and stronger jaw than women. Our skin is literally thicker and stronger than women. Men have a naturally higher muscle-to-body-mass ratio than women. I think on average men tolerate sexism towards them because we can, because we really don't need to defend ourselves from words. Women do need to defend themselves from words, because words are easily turned into actions and women can't easily defend themselves against actions. I genuinely think that a lot of women are afraid of men, perhaps not consciously. Maybe not rightly so today, but only because of our society and morals. Society and morals put a decline in the male-female spousal abuse rates, to the rape rates.
  - DuncanIdaho 15y ago
    Abuse is not about physical damage and/or risk to life. If it were, it doesn't take a bodybuilder to kill or hurt someone with an axe or a knife. But that's completely besides the point. The point is that in marital abuse - getting hurt (physiologically or psychologically) by someone that was supposed to care for you is always demeaning and hurtful experience. And its a point that few women know, that male psyche is way more fragile than male physis. Some know and take advantage of it. Your statement of men not being hurt by verbal (or other forms of psychological) abuse is frankly, naive. A man puts up with it because, frankly unless he moves away (and that's what every sane person should do in my opinion) there is no way for him to defend himself from his mother/spouse without getting a short end.

_debug_ 15y ago

The parent did not say that the jokes about men were at technical conferences. I believe he was referring to all domains, not just programming / technical conferences.

dgabriel 15y ago
This is hacker news, so I would expect we would target technical arenas. I'm not going to argue the other stuff, because it is completely off-topic, derails the conversation, and is generally uninteresting to other readers. I have also found that internet arguments about men v. women get ugly and out of control very quickly.

DuncanIdaho 15y ago

>One in five (18 percent) of men have been victims of domestic violence by a wife or female partner as opposed to 13 percent of women by a man. >One in nine women admit to having used physical aggression against a husband or male partner (compared to one in ten men) >14 percent of men say that they have been slapped by a partner (compared to 9 percent of women) >11 percent of men have had a partner threaten to throw something heavy at them (compared to 8 percent of women) >Only 4 percent of women explained that their behavior (either verbal or physical) was because of drink or drugs (compared to ten percent of men) >Nearly half (47 percent) of women say that their behaviour (physical or verbal aggression or verbal reasoning) was because "it was the only way I could get through to him" >Working class men (20 percent) are more likely to have been subjected to physical agression by a wife or female partner than upper or middle class men (15 percent) >Here and Now's survey reveals that fifteen percent (6.3 million people) of the population say that they have been subjected to physical agression by a husband/wife or hetrosexual partner. >MORI interviewed a representitive quota sample of 1,978 adults in Great Britain. 1,865 of whom had ever been in a personal relationship with the opposite sex. >Field work was conducted from 17-21 November 1994 in 150 constituencies. All interviews were conducted face to face in home employing a self completion technique. Data have been weighted to the known profile of the British population. [1]: http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm Merely mentioning that in contemporary times, sexism towards men may be more prevalent as vice versa gets one booed off the stage. And your question is loaded. There are plenty of sexist jokes going around on medical conferences. Mere notion that women, do not make sexist jokes against men, I find offensive. When in reality, a man complaining about it would be seen as a pussy (sexism?). In the country where I live it is practically impossible to get stewardship of your kid if you are a man and mother also wants it. Hell I know cases where mother doesn't want the kid, but takes him just to spite the father. There are loads of evidence that modern civilization is doing something very wrong with its men (especially young men). Lack of role models, bias towards women in affirmative action, bias against men in legislative and enforcement action is resulting in a dramatic shift of gender equality. And in a bad way. I know dozens of attractive, educated, successful women who can't get a proper mate. Its a sellers market out there for ambitious, educated, refined man - lets say a classic gentleman.

electromagnetic 15y ago
I understand your point, and I know what you mean. It's impossible to watch a commercial on TV without the guy being an idiot and the woman being intelligent, no matter what the subject is. I did sociology and I'm aware of the statistics, however the statistics don't tell the truth. On average the top 10% of women are only as strong as the bottom 10% of men. IIRC your average 25 year old woman who goes to the gym is only as strong as a 14/15 year old boy. The difference between my wife hitting me is at worst a bruise, and me hitting my wife is a fractured skull. The difference between my wife slapping me is a red mark on my face, and me slapping my wife is her being knocked to the floor. I can take my wifes wrist in one hand and I can force her to the ground or I would break her arm if she resisted. If my wife takes my wrist in both hands, she's struggling to even force me to move my arm (this one she tried the other day cause I wouldn't touch the pumpkin goop). The average woman has around 50% of the upper body strength of a male. Male bones are on average larger and denser than womens. Similarly our skulls are thicker, denser and have features like a bigger brow and stronger jaw than women. Our skin is literally thicker and stronger than women. Men have a naturally higher muscle-to-body-mass ratio than women. I think on average men tolerate sexism towards them because we can, because we really don't need to defend ourselves from words. Women do need to defend themselves from words, because words are easily turned into actions and women can't easily defend themselves against actions. I genuinely think that a lot of women are afraid of men, perhaps not consciously. Maybe not rightly so today, but only because of our society and morals. Society and morals put a decline in the male-female spousal abuse rates, to the rape rates.
- DuncanIdaho 15y ago
  Abuse is not about physical damage and/or risk to life. If it were, it doesn't take a bodybuilder to kill or hurt someone with an axe or a knife. But that's completely besides the point. The point is that in marital abuse - getting hurt (physiologically or psychologically) by someone that was supposed to care for you is always demeaning and hurtful experience. And its a point that few women know, that male psyche is way more fragile than male physis. Some know and take advantage of it. Your statement of men not being hurt by verbal (or other forms of psychological) abuse is frankly, naive. A man puts up with it because, frankly unless he moves away (and that's what every sane person should do in my opinion) there is no way for him to defend himself from his mother/spouse without getting a short end.