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God-fearing Westerners are still afraid of death, that's why they turn to religion in the first place. One thing I notice about strongly Abrahamic religious pe
by dangus 4y ago
God-fearing Westerners are still afraid of death, that's why they turn to religion in the first place.
One thing I notice about strongly Abrahamic religious people is that they are okay with eschewing the pleasures of life because they believe that heaven is their next step, and the only way to get there is to abstain from things they enjoy, are "tempted" by, and/or would otherwise be ambitious toward.
They'll give up things like sex before marriage, education, household autonomy, careers, foods, non-heterosexual partnerships (suppressing their own attraction preferences), coffee, alcohol, being in the presence of the opposite sex...almost anything you can name will be something that someone religious will just give up because they think it will grant them favor by God.
Religions that believe in things like faith healing will even give up medical care because they believe God will heal them. I know someone who is doing exactly this and is nearly immobile out of pure stubbornness. A quick and simple procedure could save them a whole bunch of pain and suffering and give them their abilities back.
In contrast, I find some of the ideas of "pleasure activism" to be very interesting. We've been taught to avoid pleasure, that it's "sinful," that it's "embarrassing" (especially for women). But why? Why is it bad? Here's an example article: https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/18/gender-studies-professor-calls-twerking-with-lizzo-an-act-of-political-defiance/ https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/18/gender-studies-professo...
Watch a televangelist like Sid Roth and you'll see that a large swath of Christianity revolves around sitting around and praying for good things to happen rather than making them happen through action. It's an incredibly selfish and futile form of Christianity.
- marcinreal 4y ago> almost anything you can name will be something that someone religious will just give up because they think it will grant them favor by God. This is what the Pharisees were doing. Christ clearly refuted this kind of religious attitude. See Matthew 23. A couple of the things you listed are genuinely sinful. On the other hand, careers, food, alcohol etc. can be sinful, but are not always. See e.g. Judges 9:13 and many other verses. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=judges+9:13&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=judges+9:13&ver... Also see 1 Timothy 4:4. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+4:4&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+4:4&v...
- dangus 4y agoI don't believe anything I listed is genuinely sinful. I don't believe Abrahamic God exists. I'm not really concerned what a certain popular novel on the subject thinks about sin, especially one as heavily edited and manipulated as the Bible. [1] As long as I'm not harming others, I wouldn't say that anything I do is sinful. I might even argue that sin doesn't exist. Transgressing against divine law is something you can't really do if you don't believe divine law is real. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon