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Glasses are not drugs. That's not at all equivalent. These drugs are altering brain chemistry and one's natural state so they fit into the unnatural environmen

by memish 4y ago

Glasses are not drugs. That's not at all equivalent. These drugs are altering brain chemistry and one's natural state so they fit into the unnatural environment that is school. It's horrifying to me that people are doing mental gymnastics to defend drugging kids who don't want to sit at a desk for hours every day memorizing useless information. If I was a kid today I'd fit the qualifications and be drugged to better fit into that environment. It's a crime that future generations will be rightly horrified by. Not unlike how we are starting to be horrified by the treatment of animals in factory farms. We're not treating these kids much better.

dymk 4y ago
Please read up on the diagnostic criteria for ADHD (it's not just "can't sit down"!), and understand that not everybody is born with a brain chemistry that serves them well in life. People with ADHD are affected by it even when they're not in school. Lucky for those with ADHD, most respond to medication very effectively.
CodeMage 4y ago
Again, this is not about wanting to sit at a desk for hours every day. He's perfectly content to sit at a desk for hours every day, in front of his computer, and yet he'll have the same problems focusing on most things. Yes, the medication alters brain chemistry and one's "natural state". Do you honestly think that we have the science to realize that it alters brain chemistry, but we don't have the science to realize that some brain chemistries are drastically different from others? As for the whole "natural state" thing, let's not indulge in appeals to nature here. I forgot where I heard "dog poop and arsenic are both found in nature, but you wouldn't eat either", but it stuck with me. Schizophrenia is a "natural state" for some people. So is depression, or autism. Should we just leave everyone in their "natural state", because it's sacred for some reason? Hence my comment about glasses: some people are naturally short-sighted, too, but they enjoy being able to see better. Sure, school is an unnatural environment. Civilization is mostly an unnatural environment, too. What infuriates me, though, is that people who haven't had to walk in my son's shoes -- or mine, but his are more important -- have the audacity to judge from their position of ignorance and declare all the effort and care we went through "a crime that future generations will be rightly horrified by".
krono 4y ago
You clearly haven't so much as an inkling of how debilitating ADHD can be. Wish I could have been a proper part of this world we live in as a kid but my diagnosis and treatment only came in adulthood.
luckydata 4y ago
that's bs. ADHD affects your natural ability to make decisions and control your emotions. Has all kinds of health repercussions from overeating to unnecessary risk taking to difficult relationships with others. Please stop talking about stuff you don't know like you actually have any knowledge of it, and spend the time you save by reading some science: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342100049X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342...

by memish 4y ago

dymk 4y ago

Please read up on the diagnostic criteria for ADHD (it's not just "can't sit down"!), and understand that not everybody is born with a brain chemistry that serves them well in life. People with ADHD are affected by it even when they're not in school. Lucky for those with ADHD, most respond to medication very effectively.

CodeMage 4y ago

Again, this is not about wanting to sit at a desk for hours every day. He's perfectly content to sit at a desk for hours every day, in front of his computer, and yet he'll have the same problems focusing on most things. Yes, the medication alters brain chemistry and one's "natural state". Do you honestly think that we have the science to realize that it alters brain chemistry, but we don't have the science to realize that some brain chemistries are drastically different from others? As for the whole "natural state" thing, let's not indulge in appeals to nature here. I forgot where I heard "dog poop and arsenic are both found in nature, but you wouldn't eat either", but it stuck with me. Schizophrenia is a "natural state" for some people. So is depression, or autism. Should we just leave everyone in their "natural state", because it's sacred for some reason? Hence my comment about glasses: some people are naturally short-sighted, too, but they enjoy being able to see better. Sure, school is an unnatural environment. Civilization is mostly an unnatural environment, too. What infuriates me, though, is that people who haven't had to walk in my son's shoes -- or mine, but his are more important -- have the audacity to judge from their position of ignorance and declare all the effort and care we went through "a crime that future generations will be rightly horrified by".

krono 4y ago

You clearly haven't so much as an inkling of how debilitating ADHD can be. Wish I could have been a proper part of this world we live in as a kid but my diagnosis and treatment only came in adulthood.

luckydata 4y ago

that's bs. ADHD affects your natural ability to make decisions and control your emotions. Has all kinds of health repercussions from overeating to unnecessary risk taking to difficult relationships with others. Please stop talking about stuff you don't know like you actually have any knowledge of it, and spend the time you save by reading some science: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342100049X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S014976342...