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Clarus returns home in macOS Ventura

452 points by shadowfacts 4y ago

geogra4 4y ago
A real nostalgia rush here on the dogcow.
- eyelidlessness 4y ago
  Moof!
Doches 4y ago
Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. They want the Mac to be great, too! If this was strictly playing on nostalgia it would have been a bit PR feature, or at least called out in WWDC. But instead it's just dropped in as an easter egg. Such a great sign.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  I bet the departure of a certain person is directly related to the fact we can have those good things back.
  - webwielder2 4y ago
    Yep, Steve Jobs famously banned Easter eggs and dismantled the icon garden at 1 Infinite Loop.
    - code_biologist 4y ago
      I think he meant Jony Ive, who absolutely got out of hand without Steve.
      - intothemild 4y ago
        It's astonishing, the change that's happened since Ive has left.
        chess_buster 4y ago
        True.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Jony Ive, as a fellow HNer replied.
- pupppet 4y ago
  I too like the current state of Mac development, but this is also a sign of how sterile the company has become when any hint of personality needs to be drawn from Apple's past.
  - joenot443 4y ago
    I think Apple still exhibits lots of personality and playfulness, maybe just not as much in their desktop lineup. I don't really use them much, but I think the Memojis are pretty charming and thoughtful.
  - duxup 4y ago
    Hint of personality is still a bucket load more than I get elsewhere.
- grishka 4y ago
  > the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? The utter disregard of the pixel grid? Everything else slowly becoming ever more un-desktop?
  - selectodude 4y ago
    > This whole system preferences thing for example Do you remember what the battery icon in System Preferences looked like in the first beta of Mac OS 12? It's a beta. Give it some time. It's not out yet.
    - grishka 4y ago
      I'm very doubtful that by the time it reaches release, they'll bring back the icon grid and the sensible layouts (instead of those stupid iOS-like lists) in the panes themselves.
      - danaris 4y ago
        Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.
        grishka 4y ago
        There used to be labeled categories that made sense. Then they removed the labels, and then they merged some of the categories.
        dividedbyzero 4y ago
        I've not tried out Ventura myself yet, but from the footage I've seen, the new settings app seems like an upgrade to me. I've never really found my way around the icon grid, none of the iterations since Leopard worked well for me (and I've probably used all of them), so good riddance, happy to see them they try something new. Those lists may break some people's muscle memory, but I'm way faster skimming through a list than finding things in a more or less arbitrary 2d layout. And besides, it's looks pretty similar to iOS, and if that's executed well, then I should be able to share muscle memory between iOS and macOS, like with Control Center (which is neat).
- deleted 4y ago
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- systemvoltage 4y ago
  There are currently things like this that we can stop from going to doom. But we won't. It will be 2030 when we'll learn, yep, we were right. Lack of critical thinking, patting too much on the back of ourselves and inability to make tough decisions is a general malaise in Big Tech. When companies are too focused on other things and not enough on the fundamentals, this is what happens.
tiffanyh 4y ago
Is it related at all to Apple's recent Low Resolution design contest? https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3sgp4ps7 https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3sgp4ps7
- hansword 4y ago
  Very unlikely. After all, the new Clarus is high resolution, would be an ill fit for anything low resolution, don't you think? Unless you mean in a very abstract way, then, yes, both are related to nostalgia.
e28eta 4y ago
> As assetutil showed, there are multiple entries for ClarusSmooth2.pdf—and one of them is followed by data that starts with the PDF file format header (%PDF). But, unfortunately, extracting that data into a separate file seems to result in a blank PDF. And I don’t know enough about the format to figure out whether there is any vector data in it, or if it truly is empty. I suspect this _is_ a vector format, and they’re using the Xcode 9+ features for a scalable image at runtime. I’ve never tried to extract the data back, it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re optimized for themselves, since in theory apple’s frameworks are the only “consumer” of the compiled asset catalog. ref: https://useyourloaf.com/blog/xcode-9-vector-images/ https://useyourloaf.com/blog/xcode-9-vector-images/
- shadowfacts 4y ago
  Ah, that definitely seems like what it is—CUINamedImage.isVectorBased is true for the Clarus image. Reverse engineering the format could be a fun project.
jrochkind1 4y ago
> That dialog shows Clarus on the page preview in every app. Weird, on my MacOS (12.3 Monterrey) I think I always see a thumbnail of the actual page I'm previewing there? Surely they haven't taken a step back to showing a generic clarus icon instead in new version of OS? That would be weird. I must be confused about what he's talking about.
- shadowfacts 4y ago
  The distinction is between the Print dialog (Cmd+P) and the Page Setup dialog (Shift+Cmd+P). Print still shows the normal page previews, but Page Setup is where Clarus is. In a Monterey VM, there's no page preview at all in Page Setup.
mistrial9 4y ago
ex-Apple here.. way past caring about Executive Management after repeated torturous treatment of indie developers at the hands of legal.
jeffkeen 4y ago
This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around with things… and I looovvvved the zaniness that provided. To name a few: - ResEdit! - Extensions that could seriously improve your computer's performance like RamDoubler or SpeedDoubler - That extension that made Oscar the grouch climb out of the trash can and sing a little ditty when you emptied the trash - The talking moose was fun for about 15 minutes, but still, I love the attitude. - After Dark! - Easter eggs like that "secret about box" text clipping thing that pulled up the pirate flag flying over the Apple Campus. - Playful messaging like "Installing System Morsels", or Sim City 2000's "Reticulating Splines" - Even the iconography was more playful—that little bloated mac icon in the Memory control panel next to Virtual Memory comes to mind I miss the crew of developers, capabilities, and playfulness we lost in transitioning to OSX, but am thrilled that tiny fragments of this playfulness seem to be returning. Welcome back Clarus! Moof!
- Alex3917 4y ago
  Now they just need to bring back wild eep and sosumi.
  - drewzero1 4y ago
    I have wild eep as my text notification. On the rare occasion that I don't have my phone silenced, it gets some attention!
  - fubar12 4y ago
    I can hear this post.
  - robertoandred 4y ago
    And the quack.
  - kldavenport 4y ago
smm11 4y ago
Time to bring back Cyberdog.
grishka 4y ago
> The keen-eyed among you may notice that although, it had a .pdf extension in assetutil info, I’ve given it here as a PNG. I was confused by this too, but upon closer inspection I believe the PNG is what ships with the OS. Although the .car format is not documented, you can still open it up in a hex viewer and learn a bit about what it contains. Looking through it, there appears to be some metadata for each file, followed by the image data itself. I reverse engineered the asset catalog format for a bit recently, hoping to be able to unpack and repack existing ones to create system appearances (themes/skins — these also come as .car files, and you can load one as an NSAppearance object and then apply it to your app/window/view). If it says it's a PDF, then it must be an actual PDF as a "raw data" rendition. I did successfully extract some with nothing but my own code. But, there are no PNGs present in .car files; as of Monterey, bitmap images use a proprietary undocumented compression format called "deepmap2". I wasn't able to exactly reconstruct how it works because my skills of native code reverse engineering are lacking (or am I not using Ghidra correctly to get at least somewhat sensible code out of it?), but I did find the related functions in the vImage framework inside Accelerate.framework.
- shadowfacts 4y ago
  You're right: I believe it's using the "Preserve Vector Data" option Xcode shows in the asset catalog editor and the PNG is just what's being rendered by the CoreUI framework.
dunham 4y ago
> I, er, accidentally updated my laptop to the beta Good to know it wasn't just me. I also expected it to be an installer that let me choose a different volume to install on.
- filmgirlcw 4y ago
  Yah, I’ve held off for this reason because that happened to me last year.
- derefr 4y ago
  AFAIK, it will present you a choice, _if_ you've already created a separate APFS volume such that there's more than one option of installation target. I saw someone do exactly that (create an APFS volume for Ventura, start the installer, and then choose said volume as the target) in the first YouTube video I saw about the beta's release.
  - shadowfacts 4y ago
    Huh, really? That's exactly what I did—I still have an empty, vestigial volume called Ventura in the same APFS container as Macintosh HD—and I was not presented with a choice.
    - derefr 4y ago
      Weird. Maybe the youtuber I watched didn't realize their mistake while filming :P
  - dunham 4y ago
    Yeah, that’s what I tried, even named the volume Ventura. It has worked in the past with previous releases e.g. Monterey. It sounds like the original poster (and some commenters) was trying to do this too, had done in the past, and was surprised. The process didn’t give me an installer, it just jumped to the volume building process. TBH I kinda knew it was messed up, but after cancelling and trying again, I just let it go. I didn’t see any options in the dev site to pull down a full installer. My M1 is fairly new, so I have recent practice reinstalling Big Sur from scratch if necessary.
joemi 4y ago
Side note: What an odd webpage style. Makes some things look like they're markdown, but they're actually added with css ::before and ::after. Plus I found the link style very distracting and unnecessary (since browsers already have built-in ways to show you the URL of a link).
- jen729w 4y ago
  Shows we’re all different: I really like it. I write and think in Markdown and there was something about seeing it laid bare that I enjoyed. Wouldn’t want it on every site, but for something a bit different, call me a fan of this one.
bombcar 4y ago
Interesting - the new higher res one has a clear udder whereas the old one curves the other way and looks more like a generic dog.
- a3w 4y ago
  Looks like a cow-dog hybrid to me. Not meant as bodyshaming, just not a good vectorization.
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    Clarus is a dogcow, and they say "Moof!"
filmgirlcw 4y ago
Moof!
fghorow 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289v_gKJjWU&t=43s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289v_gKJjWU&t=43s Moof.
russellbeattie 4y ago
For more details about Clarus, the Wikipedia page is packed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow > The dogcow symbol and "Moof!" are proprietary trademarks of Apple.
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clarus 4y ago
It has been a long time and happy to see you back again!
_0xdd 4y ago
I love it. It’s about time they brought some personality back to the Mac. I miss things like the startup chime (it’s back!), the backlit Apple logo, the pulsating power light on the iMac G4 when the system was sleeping, etc. Apple got to a point in the early 2010s where they started stripping away these things, and I’m glad they’re somewhat on their way back.
talentedcoin 4y ago
Idk. Lose 32 bit support forever, get a dog cow? No wonder the Mac platform is such a dumpster fire.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  What was lost? Aside from gaming, everything is now 64 bit so it sounds like a successful transition. And there is a lot more wrong with gaming on mac than 32 bit support.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    Eh, I'm not saying it was a net terrible thing, but it wasn't just gaming; there's value in being able to run old software. Or maybe it's better to just go full virtualization at that point.
- salgernon 4y ago
  Clarus dates from the 24bit address space era, and we lost that a long time ago. But she transcends.
nicebill8 4y ago
Still got my pin from WWDC18, lovely little thing.
hypertexthero 4y ago
I have a print of Moof the Dogcow on my wall and it is lovely. Got it at Susan Kare’s shop: https://kareprints.com/products/copy-of-moof-the-dogcow-on-green https://kareprints.com/products/copy-of-moof-the-dogcow-on-g...
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  MacForce in Portland used to sell a MOOF! T-shirt, which sadly I have lost or it fell apart over the years.
  - jrnichols 4y ago
    I had a couple that I wore out. got them in I think it was 1998 at the "Company Store" that Apple had at the Laguna Blvd (Elk Grove, CA) location. The whole store was on sale. As you can probably imagine....I had absolutely no idea what was even happening and why things were all on sale, and most definitely didn't archive things that I should have. :) I still have a set of the 6 color Apple rainbow logo fridge magnets from that day.
ary 4y ago
I'm reminded of when Jobs got rid of the Icon Garden to discourage nostalgia. http://clarus.chez-alice.fr/c_applegarden.php http://clarus.chez-alice.fr/c_applegarden.php
- dasz 4y ago
  Ah yes. The burn your bridges technique.
syntaxfree 4y ago
I was expecting Claris…
watersb 4y ago
Really wish I could dig up the old HyperCard stack that first released Tech Note #31. I was so excited when I found it in the Resource Fork of one of stacks on the Apple Developer CD... Thanks to Wikipedia contributors and to Archive.org! https://web.archive.org/web/20040202021201/http://developer.apple.com/products/techsupport/dogcow/tn31.html https://web.archive.org/web/20040202021201/http://developer....

452 points by shadowfacts 4y ago

geogra4 4y ago

A real nostalgia rush here on the dogcow.

eyelidlessness 4y ago
Moof!

Doches 4y ago

Sure, this is a sweet little hit of nostalgia -- but it's also symptomatic of just how far Apple's come (back) with the Mac, and why. It's clear that we're way, way over the doldrums of the butterfly keyboard, abandoned Mac Pro, "continues to be a product in our line-up" years. Little things like this, little acknowledgements of the past and the Mac community, suggest to me why: the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. They want the Mac to be great, too! If this was strictly playing on nostalgia it would have been a bit PR feature, or at least called out in WWDC. But instead it's just dropped in as an easter egg. Such a great sign.

pjmlp 4y ago
I bet the departure of a certain person is directly related to the fact we can have those good things back.
- webwielder2 4y ago
  Yep, Steve Jobs famously banned Easter eggs and dismantled the icon garden at 1 Infinite Loop.
  - code_biologist 4y ago
    I think he meant Jony Ive, who absolutely got out of hand without Steve.
    - intothemild 4y ago
      It's astonishing, the change that's happened since Ive has left.
      - chess_buster 4y ago
        True.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Jony Ive, as a fellow HNer replied.
pupppet 4y ago
I too like the current state of Mac development, but this is also a sign of how sterile the company has become when any hint of personality needs to be drawn from Apple's past.
- joenot443 4y ago
  I think Apple still exhibits lots of personality and playfulness, maybe just not as much in their desktop lineup. I don't really use them much, but I think the Memojis are pretty charming and thoughtful.
- duxup 4y ago
  Hint of personality is still a bucket load more than I get elsewhere.
grishka 4y ago
> the people in charge of the Mac are now people who _grew up with it_, who love it, and who have that same nostalgia as (some) of us outside Apple. So then how does one explain the unending UI regressions with every single major update? This whole system preferences thing for example? The terrible, terrible toolbars combined with window titles? The borderless buttons (with borders being an accessibility feature)? The utter disregard of the pixel grid? Everything else slowly becoming ever more un-desktop?
- selectodude 4y ago
  > This whole system preferences thing for example Do you remember what the battery icon in System Preferences looked like in the first beta of Mac OS 12? It's a beta. Give it some time. It's not out yet.
  - grishka 4y ago
    I'm very doubtful that by the time it reaches release, they'll bring back the icon grid and the sensible layouts (instead of those stupid iOS-like lists) in the panes themselves.
    - danaris 4y ago
      Frankly, the icon grid was arranged somewhat arbitrarily to begin with. I'd be quite happy to have a largely-alphabetical list, making it much easier to actually find the specific preference pane I'm looking for.
      - grishka 4y ago
        There used to be labeled categories that made sense. Then they removed the labels, and then they merged some of the categories.
        dividedbyzero 4y ago
        I've not tried out Ventura myself yet, but from the footage I've seen, the new settings app seems like an upgrade to me. I've never really found my way around the icon grid, none of the iterations since Leopard worked well for me (and I've probably used all of them), so good riddance, happy to see them they try something new. Those lists may break some people's muscle memory, but I'm way faster skimming through a list than finding things in a more or less arbitrary 2d layout. And besides, it's looks pretty similar to iOS, and if that's executed well, then I should be able to share muscle memory between iOS and macOS, like with Control Center (which is neat).
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systemvoltage 4y ago
There are currently things like this that we can stop from going to doom. But we won't. It will be 2030 when we'll learn, yep, we were right. Lack of critical thinking, patting too much on the back of ourselves and inability to make tough decisions is a general malaise in Big Tech. When companies are too focused on other things and not enough on the fundamentals, this is what happens.

tiffanyh 4y ago

Is it related at all to Apple's recent Low Resolution design contest? https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3sgp4ps7 https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3sgp4ps7

hansword 4y ago
Very unlikely. After all, the new Clarus is high resolution, would be an ill fit for anything low resolution, don't you think? Unless you mean in a very abstract way, then, yes, both are related to nostalgia.

e28eta 4y ago

> As assetutil showed, there are multiple entries for ClarusSmooth2.pdf—and one of them is followed by data that starts with the PDF file format header (%PDF). But, unfortunately, extracting that data into a separate file seems to result in a blank PDF. And I don’t know enough about the format to figure out whether there is any vector data in it, or if it truly is empty. I suspect this _is_ a vector format, and they’re using the Xcode 9+ features for a scalable image at runtime. I’ve never tried to extract the data back, it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re optimized for themselves, since in theory apple’s frameworks are the only “consumer” of the compiled asset catalog. ref: https://useyourloaf.com/blog/xcode-9-vector-images/ https://useyourloaf.com/blog/xcode-9-vector-images/

shadowfacts 4y ago
Ah, that definitely seems like what it is—CUINamedImage.isVectorBased is true for the Clarus image. Reverse engineering the format could be a fun project.

jrochkind1 4y ago

> That dialog shows Clarus on the page preview in every app. Weird, on my MacOS (12.3 Monterrey) I think I always see a thumbnail of the actual page I'm previewing there? Surely they haven't taken a step back to showing a generic clarus icon instead in new version of OS? That would be weird. I must be confused about what he's talking about.

shadowfacts 4y ago
The distinction is between the Print dialog (Cmd+P) and the Page Setup dialog (Shift+Cmd+P). Print still shows the normal page previews, but Page Setup is where Clarus is. In a Monterey VM, there's no page preview at all in Page Setup.

mistrial9 4y ago

ex-Apple here.. way past caring about Executive Management after repeated torturous treatment of indie developers at the hands of legal.

jeffkeen 4y ago

This is so great. The 90s/pre OS-X Apple (the "BuT tHeREs No SOFtWaRe!" and "ApPLe is GoING tO DiiEE" Apple) had a sense of playfulness in their UIs that was largely lost when they became the Apple we know today. The Mac OS classic architecture definitely had some problems with its non-protected memory and cooperative multitasking, but what it _allowed_ were extensions that could really get in there and muck around with things… and I looovvvved the zaniness that provided. To name a few: - ResEdit! - Extensions that could seriously improve your computer's performance like RamDoubler or SpeedDoubler - That extension that made Oscar the grouch climb out of the trash can and sing a little ditty when you emptied the trash - The talking moose was fun for about 15 minutes, but still, I love the attitude. - After Dark! - Easter eggs like that "secret about box" text clipping thing that pulled up the pirate flag flying over the Apple Campus. - Playful messaging like "Installing System Morsels", or Sim City 2000's "Reticulating Splines" - Even the iconography was more playful—that little bloated mac icon in the Memory control panel next to Virtual Memory comes to mind I miss the crew of developers, capabilities, and playfulness we lost in transitioning to OSX, but am thrilled that tiny fragments of this playfulness seem to be returning. Welcome back Clarus! Moof!

Alex3917 4y ago
Now they just need to bring back wild eep and sosumi.
- drewzero1 4y ago
  I have wild eep as my text notification. On the rare occasion that I don't have my phone silenced, it gets some attention!
- fubar12 4y ago
  I can hear this post.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  And the quack.
- kldavenport 4y ago

smm11 4y ago

Time to bring back Cyberdog.

grishka 4y ago

> The keen-eyed among you may notice that although, it had a .pdf extension in assetutil info, I’ve given it here as a PNG. I was confused by this too, but upon closer inspection I believe the PNG is what ships with the OS. Although the .car format is not documented, you can still open it up in a hex viewer and learn a bit about what it contains. Looking through it, there appears to be some metadata for each file, followed by the image data itself. I reverse engineered the asset catalog format for a bit recently, hoping to be able to unpack and repack existing ones to create system appearances (themes/skins — these also come as .car files, and you can load one as an NSAppearance object and then apply it to your app/window/view). If it says it's a PDF, then it must be an actual PDF as a "raw data" rendition. I did successfully extract some with nothing but my own code. But, there are no PNGs present in .car files; as of Monterey, bitmap images use a proprietary undocumented compression format called "deepmap2". I wasn't able to exactly reconstruct how it works because my skills of native code reverse engineering are lacking (or am I not using Ghidra correctly to get at least somewhat sensible code out of it?), but I did find the related functions in the vImage framework inside Accelerate.framework.

shadowfacts 4y ago
You're right: I believe it's using the "Preserve Vector Data" option Xcode shows in the asset catalog editor and the PNG is just what's being rendered by the CoreUI framework.

dunham 4y ago

> I, er, accidentally updated my laptop to the beta Good to know it wasn't just me. I also expected it to be an installer that let me choose a different volume to install on.

filmgirlcw 4y ago
Yah, I’ve held off for this reason because that happened to me last year.
derefr 4y ago
AFAIK, it will present you a choice, _if_ you've already created a separate APFS volume such that there's more than one option of installation target. I saw someone do exactly that (create an APFS volume for Ventura, start the installer, and then choose said volume as the target) in the first YouTube video I saw about the beta's release.
- shadowfacts 4y ago
  Huh, really? That's exactly what I did—I still have an empty, vestigial volume called Ventura in the same APFS container as Macintosh HD—and I was not presented with a choice.
  - derefr 4y ago
    Weird. Maybe the youtuber I watched didn't realize their mistake while filming :P
- dunham 4y ago
  Yeah, that’s what I tried, even named the volume Ventura. It has worked in the past with previous releases e.g. Monterey. It sounds like the original poster (and some commenters) was trying to do this too, had done in the past, and was surprised. The process didn’t give me an installer, it just jumped to the volume building process. TBH I kinda knew it was messed up, but after cancelling and trying again, I just let it go. I didn’t see any options in the dev site to pull down a full installer. My M1 is fairly new, so I have recent practice reinstalling Big Sur from scratch if necessary.

joemi 4y ago

Side note: What an odd webpage style. Makes some things look like they're markdown, but they're actually added with css ::before and ::after. Plus I found the link style very distracting and unnecessary (since browsers already have built-in ways to show you the URL of a link).

jen729w 4y ago
Shows we’re all different: I really like it. I write and think in Markdown and there was something about seeing it laid bare that I enjoyed. Wouldn’t want it on every site, but for something a bit different, call me a fan of this one.

bombcar 4y ago

Interesting - the new higher res one has a clear udder whereas the old one curves the other way and looks more like a generic dog.

a3w 4y ago
Looks like a cow-dog hybrid to me. Not meant as bodyshaming, just not a good vectorization.
- dsr_ 4y ago
  Clarus is a dogcow, and they say "Moof!"

filmgirlcw 4y ago

Moof!

fghorow 4y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289v_gKJjWU&t=43s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=289v_gKJjWU&t=43s Moof.

russellbeattie 4y ago

For more details about Clarus, the Wikipedia page is packed: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow > The dogcow symbol and "Moof!" are proprietary trademarks of Apple.

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clarus 4y ago

It has been a long time and happy to see you back again!

_0xdd 4y ago

I love it. It’s about time they brought some personality back to the Mac. I miss things like the startup chime (it’s back!), the backlit Apple logo, the pulsating power light on the iMac G4 when the system was sleeping, etc. Apple got to a point in the early 2010s where they started stripping away these things, and I’m glad they’re somewhat on their way back.

talentedcoin 4y ago

Idk. Lose 32 bit support forever, get a dog cow? No wonder the Mac platform is such a dumpster fire.

Gigachad 4y ago
What was lost? Aside from gaming, everything is now 64 bit so it sounds like a successful transition. And there is a lot more wrong with gaming on mac than 32 bit support.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  Eh, I'm not saying it was a net terrible thing, but it wasn't just gaming; there's value in being able to run old software. Or maybe it's better to just go full virtualization at that point.
salgernon 4y ago
Clarus dates from the 24bit address space era, and we lost that a long time ago. But she transcends.

nicebill8 4y ago

Still got my pin from WWDC18, lovely little thing.

hypertexthero 4y ago

I have a print of Moof the Dogcow on my wall and it is lovely. Got it at Susan Kare’s shop: https://kareprints.com/products/copy-of-moof-the-dogcow-on-green https://kareprints.com/products/copy-of-moof-the-dogcow-on-g...

selimthegrim 4y ago
MacForce in Portland used to sell a MOOF! T-shirt, which sadly I have lost or it fell apart over the years.
- jrnichols 4y ago
  I had a couple that I wore out. got them in I think it was 1998 at the "Company Store" that Apple had at the Laguna Blvd (Elk Grove, CA) location. The whole store was on sale. As you can probably imagine....I had absolutely no idea what was even happening and why things were all on sale, and most definitely didn't archive things that I should have. :) I still have a set of the 6 color Apple rainbow logo fridge magnets from that day.

ary 4y ago

I'm reminded of when Jobs got rid of the Icon Garden to discourage nostalgia. http://clarus.chez-alice.fr/c_applegarden.php http://clarus.chez-alice.fr/c_applegarden.php

dasz 4y ago
Ah yes. The burn your bridges technique.

syntaxfree 4y ago

I was expecting Claris…

watersb 4y ago

Really wish I could dig up the old HyperCard stack that first released Tech Note #31. I was so excited when I found it in the Resource Fork of one of stacks on the Apple Developer CD... Thanks to Wikipedia contributors and to Archive.org! https://web.archive.org/web/20040202021201/http://developer.apple.com/products/techsupport/dogcow/tn31.html https://web.archive.org/web/20040202021201/http://developer....