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None of those things are rioting, nor is it rioting to express an unpopular opinion loudly. Honestly, it sounds like you just really dislike the "truckers" and

None of those things are rioting, nor is it rioting to express an unpopular opinion loudly. Honestly, it sounds like you just really dislike the "truckers" and are mainly getting irate when you see mention of them that doesn't express a similar opinion by being obviously negative and condemnatory. It's indisputable the Canada froze the accounts of many of the truckers, which is frankly the only bit that's relevant to a cryptocurrency discussion. The OP of this sub-thread expressed that clearly and concisely, and going into too much detail about the protests themselves is a derail.

yifanl 4y ago
> None of those things are rioting, nor is it rioting to express an unpopular opinion loudly. Who gets to decide that?
lupire 4y ago
Preventing people from sleeping for weeks is torture. It's violence. Doing that in a mob is a riot.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Preventing people from sleeping for weeks is torture. It's violence. OK, then. So when do I get to haul my noisy neighbor in front of The Hague for his crimes against humanity?
  - pierrebai 4y ago
    I'm sure you have a lengthy citation of truckers being sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity...
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > I'm sure you have a lengthy citation of truckers being sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity... No, I'm just mocking the hyperbole.
cmrdporcupine 4y ago
I was fine with OP's post until they made the statement that "truckers had accounts frozen" because that clearly is not what happened. Some people had accounts frozen, but not a whole class of people, most not even truckers. On the whole people breaking the law and using those accounts to accomplish it and taking the label 'truckers' even though they had nothing to do with the trucking industry. Soft measures to defuse and de-escalate the protests were ineffective. The police refused to do their job. So the government acted. Whether you call it a riot or not, I don't care the point is illegal behaviour including blocking an international border crossing -- with firearms -- has legal consequences. The people doing it were not "truckers". They were far right protesters. The bulk of the organizers were the literally the same "yellow vest" protesters who freaked out about the carbon tax, and also Syrian refugees a few years earlier. We should not give them the benefit of letting them take the "trucker" label. The vast majority of truckers in this country a) got the vaccine like the rest of Canadians b) worked for a living through this whole thing. EDIT: Like, let's look at just two of the most prominent the leadership of this protest, people who had bank accounts frozen and who have had charges pressed. Tamara Lich; not a trucker. Works in energy industry. "Yellow Vest" protest organizer. "United We Roll" anti-carbon tax anti-environmental protest organizer. "Western separatist" organizer. Then "trucker" protest. Again, not a trucker. Pat King; not a trucker. Again, western secessionist. United We Roll organizer. Far right physical attacks on Antifa. Various anti-Muslim, white nationalist statements. Then "trucker" protest. Not a trucker.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > I was fine with OP's post until they made the statement that "truckers had accounts frozen" because that clearly is not what happened. Some people had accounts frozen, but not a whole class of people, most not even truckers. The point is that there's a new definition attached to "truckers," which is people associated with that protest. It was clear from context that was what they meant. > We should not give them the benefit of letting them take the "trucker" label. Sorry, you're too late. That ship has already sailed (e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20220614181936/https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+truckers https://web.archive.org/web/20220614181936/https://www.googl..., https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/world/canada/trucker-convoy-protest-conservatives.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/world/canada/trucker-conv...). If it's any consolation, it's probably ephemeral, and in a few decades all this will most likely be forgotten. But in 2022 "truckers" is the most widely-understood name for this group (and the only name I'd recognize).

yifanl 4y ago

> None of those things are rioting, nor is it rioting to express an unpopular opinion loudly. Who gets to decide that?

lupire 4y ago

Preventing people from sleeping for weeks is torture. It's violence. Doing that in a mob is a riot.

tablespoon 4y ago
> Preventing people from sleeping for weeks is torture. It's violence. OK, then. So when do I get to haul my noisy neighbor in front of The Hague for his crimes against humanity?
- pierrebai 4y ago
  I'm sure you have a lengthy citation of truckers being sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity...
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > I'm sure you have a lengthy citation of truckers being sent to the Hague for crimes against humanity... No, I'm just mocking the hyperbole.

cmrdporcupine 4y ago

I was fine with OP's post until they made the statement that "truckers had accounts frozen" because that clearly is not what happened. Some people had accounts frozen, but not a whole class of people, most not even truckers. On the whole people breaking the law and using those accounts to accomplish it and taking the label 'truckers' even though they had nothing to do with the trucking industry. Soft measures to defuse and de-escalate the protests were ineffective. The police refused to do their job. So the government acted. Whether you call it a riot or not, I don't care the point is illegal behaviour including blocking an international border crossing -- with firearms -- has legal consequences. The people doing it were not "truckers". They were far right protesters. The bulk of the organizers were the literally the same "yellow vest" protesters who freaked out about the carbon tax, and also Syrian refugees a few years earlier. We should not give them the benefit of letting them take the "trucker" label. The vast majority of truckers in this country a) got the vaccine like the rest of Canadians b) worked for a living through this whole thing. EDIT: Like, let's look at just two of the most prominent the leadership of this protest, people who had bank accounts frozen and who have had charges pressed. Tamara Lich; not a trucker. Works in energy industry. "Yellow Vest" protest organizer. "United We Roll" anti-carbon tax anti-environmental protest organizer. "Western separatist" organizer. Then "trucker" protest. Again, not a trucker. Pat King; not a trucker. Again, western secessionist. United We Roll organizer. Far right physical attacks on Antifa. Various anti-Muslim, white nationalist statements. Then "trucker" protest. Not a trucker.

tablespoon 4y ago
> I was fine with OP's post until they made the statement that "truckers had accounts frozen" because that clearly is not what happened. Some people had accounts frozen, but not a whole class of people, most not even truckers. The point is that there's a new definition attached to "truckers," which is people associated with that protest. It was clear from context that was what they meant. > We should not give them the benefit of letting them take the "trucker" label. Sorry, you're too late. That ship has already sailed (e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20220614181936/https://www.google.com/search?q=canada+truckers https://web.archive.org/web/20220614181936/https://www.googl..., https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/world/canada/trucker-convoy-protest-conservatives.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/11/world/canada/trucker-conv...). If it's any consolation, it's probably ephemeral, and in a few decades all this will most likely be forgotten. But in 2022 "truckers" is the most widely-understood name for this group (and the only name I'd recognize).