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No, it doesn't. "See" refers to our visual perception, whether it occurs in the eyes, the brain, or anywhere in between.

IncRnd 4y ago
From the standpoint of dictionaries (and history, usage, and etymology), "see" refers to the eye. Below are the first entries in three different dictionaries and an etymological entry. All refer to the eye and not the brain or other intermediate locations. Dictionaries: merriam webster: to perceive by the eye [1] dictionary.com: to perceive with the eyes; look at [2] cambridge: to be conscious of what is around you by using your eyes: [3] Etymology: eymonline: Middle English sēn, from Old English seon (Anglian sean) "be or become aware of by means of the eye; look, behold;" and It is attested by late Old English as "be able to see with the eyes, have the faculty of sight, not be blind." [4] [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/see https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/see [2] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/see https://www.dictionary.com/browse/see [3] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/see https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/see [4] https://www.etymonline.com/word/see https://www.etymonline.com/word/see
- adolph 4y ago
  > to perceive Where does this "perceive" happen?
  - IncRnd 4y ago
    That's not relevant. Perception doesn't occur "in the eyes, the brain, or anywhere in between". When something is perceived, that means the person has attained awareness of that thing. This awareness of an object's existence is entirely different from what was asserted, some sort of superimposition of prior understandings or other morphological change onto the eye's perception of that object's existence.
    - adolph 4y ago
      > From the standpoint of dictionaries (and history, usage, and etymology), "see" refers to the > merriam webster: to perceive by the eye [1] > perceived ... attained awareness Perception is part of the definition you provided. How do you come to call it not relevant now? Does the eye of a dead person see anything? Is it like a camera that clicks in a forrest with no-one to hear? The notion of eye mentioned in the definitions you quoted is to distinguish "see" from other senses such as "hear" or "taste." Even at a physical level, the eye alone is little like a camera. It has an uneven distribution of light sensors with spaces without coverage (optical nerve). "The retina is actually a piece of the brain that has grown into the eye and processes neural signals when it detects light. Ganglion cells carry information from the retina to the higher brain centers; other nerve cells within the retina perform the first stages of analysis of the visual world. The axons of the retinal ganglion cells, with the support of other types of cells, form the optic nerve and carry these signals to the brain." "Investigators have known for decades that there are 10 to 15 ganglion cell types in the retina that are adapted for picking up different movements and then work together to send a full picture to the brain. The study estimated the amount of information that is carried to the brain by seven of these ganglion cell types." https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/468943 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/468943
      - IncRnd 4y ago
        > Perception is part of the definition you provided. I was providing an answer to your question. The location of perception isn't relevant to the definition of the word "see". This conversation was about the word "see" applying to the eyes.
        bl0rg 4y ago
        Wouldn't that make the word "see" essentially useless since we cannot know what we've seen? "I saw a cow outside" - "No, you perceived a cow. You have no idea what you saw because you cannot access that information." Does this seem like a good definition of "see" according to you?

IncRnd 4y ago

From the standpoint of dictionaries (and history, usage, and etymology), "see" refers to the eye. Below are the first entries in three different dictionaries and an etymological entry. All refer to the eye and not the brain or other intermediate locations. Dictionaries: merriam webster: to perceive by the eye [1] dictionary.com: to perceive with the eyes; look at [2] cambridge: to be conscious of what is around you by using your eyes: [3] Etymology: eymonline: Middle English sēn, from Old English seon (Anglian sean) "be or become aware of by means of the eye; look, behold;" and It is attested by late Old English as "be able to see with the eyes, have the faculty of sight, not be blind." [4] [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/see https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/see [2] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/see https://www.dictionary.com/browse/see [3] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/see https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/see [4] https://www.etymonline.com/word/see https://www.etymonline.com/word/see

adolph 4y ago
> to perceive Where does this "perceive" happen?
- IncRnd 4y ago
  That's not relevant. Perception doesn't occur "in the eyes, the brain, or anywhere in between". When something is perceived, that means the person has attained awareness of that thing. This awareness of an object's existence is entirely different from what was asserted, some sort of superimposition of prior understandings or other morphological change onto the eye's perception of that object's existence.
  - adolph 4y ago
    > From the standpoint of dictionaries (and history, usage, and etymology), "see" refers to the > merriam webster: to perceive by the eye [1] > perceived ... attained awareness Perception is part of the definition you provided. How do you come to call it not relevant now? Does the eye of a dead person see anything? Is it like a camera that clicks in a forrest with no-one to hear? The notion of eye mentioned in the definitions you quoted is to distinguish "see" from other senses such as "hear" or "taste." Even at a physical level, the eye alone is little like a camera. It has an uneven distribution of light sensors with spaces without coverage (optical nerve). "The retina is actually a piece of the brain that has grown into the eye and processes neural signals when it detects light. Ganglion cells carry information from the retina to the higher brain centers; other nerve cells within the retina perform the first stages of analysis of the visual world. The axons of the retinal ganglion cells, with the support of other types of cells, form the optic nerve and carry these signals to the brain." "Investigators have known for decades that there are 10 to 15 ganglion cell types in the retina that are adapted for picking up different movements and then work together to send a full picture to the brain. The study estimated the amount of information that is carried to the brain by seven of these ganglion cell types." https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/468943 https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/468943
    - IncRnd 4y ago
      > Perception is part of the definition you provided. I was providing an answer to your question. The location of perception isn't relevant to the definition of the word "see". This conversation was about the word "see" applying to the eyes.
      - bl0rg 4y ago
        Wouldn't that make the word "see" essentially useless since we cannot know what we've seen? "I saw a cow outside" - "No, you perceived a cow. You have no idea what you saw because you cannot access that information." Does this seem like a good definition of "see" according to you?