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> What is the crazy logic there? - I do not control whether there is a vote - Those proposing the vote said they wouldn't do it - I will work to spoil it I'

> What is the crazy logic there? - I do not control whether there is a vote - Those proposing the vote said they wouldn't do it - I will work to spoil it I'd prefer that you work through the simple and obvious points yourself instead of implying some mental problem on my part, if only to remove yourself from the irony of such a claim.

justin66 4y ago
> I will work to spoil it You've failed to communicate the why? of this. I can express it a different way: you have decided that you know what is best for yourself and your country regarding independence - a big and highly consequential topic - and you're going to act in opposition of that to spite a relatively small number of powerful people whose actions you disapprove of. Those powerful people will not suffer regardless of whether your country makes the "correct" (whatever that is) choice regarding independence, but you and your country certainly will. Hence my curiosity about your logic.
- brigandish 4y ago
  > You've failed to communicate the why? of this. Because I'm against lying, and because their own statement contained the logic that it's bad to continually vote on this issue - I'm using their ostensibly given logic because, if we take their actual words as truthful, they are correct. Most people agreed at the time and it was one of the reasons they convinced the public to go along with a referendum. Usually I can't really take into account the lies of politicians as each side does it and it usually doesn't make a difference anyway (e.g. their electoral promises can be compared to actual behaviour so I can vote based on the latter) and I don't usually get to vote on a specific instance of lying, nor to directly affect the ambitions of the liars. Here, I can. > you have decided that you know what is best for yourself and your country regarding independence Yes, I'm a voter so that's implied for everyone with a vote. > and you're going to act in opposition of that to spite a relatively small number of powerful people whose actions you disapprove of Yes. > Those powerful people will not suffer regardless They will suffer if they lose, as I alluded to above. > but you and your country certainly will The country will be fine either way. It may be better or worse but I'm not into eschatology generally, let alone when it's about politics unrelated to war. > Hence my curiosity about your logic. That's a more respectful way to put it, you might keep that in mind for future interactions on HN.
  - justin66 4y ago
    The idiom about cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.
    - brigandish 4y ago
      That would only make sense for SNP supporters willing to look past their political leaders' lies. The rest of us will do fine if we can punish corrupt and lying politicians. I wish we could do that more often, I always envy those who get by-elections and are able to vote against whichever party has been behaving poorly.

justin66 4y ago

> I will work to spoil it You've failed to communicate the why? of this. I can express it a different way: you have decided that you know what is best for yourself and your country regarding independence - a big and highly consequential topic - and you're going to act in opposition of that to spite a relatively small number of powerful people whose actions you disapprove of. Those powerful people will not suffer regardless of whether your country makes the "correct" (whatever that is) choice regarding independence, but you and your country certainly will. Hence my curiosity about your logic.

brigandish 4y ago
> You've failed to communicate the why? of this. Because I'm against lying, and because their own statement contained the logic that it's bad to continually vote on this issue - I'm using their ostensibly given logic because, if we take their actual words as truthful, they are correct. Most people agreed at the time and it was one of the reasons they convinced the public to go along with a referendum. Usually I can't really take into account the lies of politicians as each side does it and it usually doesn't make a difference anyway (e.g. their electoral promises can be compared to actual behaviour so I can vote based on the latter) and I don't usually get to vote on a specific instance of lying, nor to directly affect the ambitions of the liars. Here, I can. > you have decided that you know what is best for yourself and your country regarding independence Yes, I'm a voter so that's implied for everyone with a vote. > and you're going to act in opposition of that to spite a relatively small number of powerful people whose actions you disapprove of Yes. > Those powerful people will not suffer regardless They will suffer if they lose, as I alluded to above. > but you and your country certainly will The country will be fine either way. It may be better or worse but I'm not into eschatology generally, let alone when it's about politics unrelated to war. > Hence my curiosity about your logic. That's a more respectful way to put it, you might keep that in mind for future interactions on HN.
- justin66 4y ago
  The idiom about cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.
  - brigandish 4y ago
    That would only make sense for SNP supporters willing to look past their political leaders' lies. The rest of us will do fine if we can punish corrupt and lying politicians. I wish we could do that more often, I always envy those who get by-elections and are able to vote against whichever party has been behaving poorly.