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> Recently, faced with the necessity of making money, I began applying to full-time jobs again. I had thought that with my skills and network, it wouldn’t be to
by mettamage 4y ago
> Recently, faced with the necessity of making money, I began applying to full-time jobs again. I had thought that with my skills and network, it wouldn’t be too hard to find an enjoyable job that paid well enough. But of course, the first few that I applied to rejected me right away. I could feel my ambition collapsing: half a year ago, I thought I could revolutionize some of the institutions of science, and now I am merely wondering if I’m good enough to land a regular coding job. Maybe I should go work in a restaurant or something. Am I even good enough for that?
I've had this. University built me up (high grades, cum laude, honors, published paper, side projects, TA jobs, 1 year of iOS development experience, 1 year of being a web development instructor experience). FAANG (and its friends, like Elastic, Databricks, all the known names, banks, etc.) broke me down by not ever responding to my job applications for a graduate software engineer. Fast-forward 18 months later, still no job. I also got more downvotes on HN due to having a more gloomy mood and my desperation was perhaps a bit too strong. In general, people can't deal with it. HN has a lot of edge-cases where they can (some ask HNs are an example of this), but in my case they couldn't deal with it. HN showed me that I had to force myself to be more positive, lest I'd get more downvotes (and also because I reasoned that the general public would judge me way harsher than HN). For context, this comment is already quite on the "negative" side. I know that by writing like this I have a one in five chance to be downvoted. Often enough these category of posts also get upvoted a lot, so I do get some insight into the nuances of this problem area simply by seeing my downvotes and upvotes on what I experience to be similar comments, so in both cases the upvotes/downvotes are really helpful.
In any case, I took a job that paid low out of necessity (2500 euro's for a junior position, my own coding students were making more). I quit 6 months later, because I wasn't passionate about their product. I searched and 5 months later found another company. I felt so grateful to already find a company after 5 months that I felt excited by! They thought I was too slow (after 6 months), I agreed. Sometimes it simply doesn't work out. In this particular case, my contract didn't even formally end yet and I already found my 3rd company. Holy hell! What a different world. The 6 month mark is coming up, I hope I'll make it this time. I think I will, but not because my skills improved a lot. In my case it's mostly luck/bad luck depending on the company I was at. Culture has a lot to do with it. It's not my dream company, but I'm simply trying to get by. Moreover, the work conditions are amazing, I have nothing to complain about. However, if I'd be ambitious then I'd have all kinds of ambitious "complaints" like that it isn't my dream company.
Because of this whole process, I don't really know what my purpose in life is anymore. I decided to drop it for now and simply enjoy life. It feels too hedonistic for my taste, but alright, life is teaching me I can't control it I guess. Let's flow with it then!
So, I have 16 months of ragged recent experience (not including my experience that I got as a student). Here are some things I've noticed that are notable:
What I find weird is that some FAANG companies are even approaching me now. Like, really? Having a ragged resume with 16 months worth of experience is really that much better? Really?! It still makes me a bit angry, because I feel it diminishes how tough and valuable my actual academic education was. I've definitely learned a thing or two at the 3 companies I've worked at, don't get me wrong. However, the hardest stuff I've learned was still at university (e.g. rowhammer via JavaScript + WebGL, using IDA Pro to analyze binaries, hacking in general really).
Another thing I find as weird is that my salary is at 4500 euro's gross now. It's amazing that I feel compensated well now (for Dutch standards), but given my ragged resume, I also find it weird. Somehow failing at companies and searching for a new job (after six months of staying at one place!) allows me to negotiate for a much higher salary. Wait what? Why?
Company 1: 2500 euro's
Company 2: 4100 euro's ("This is what a software engineer costs right?" Me: "Yes")
Company 3: 4500 euro's ("How much did you make at your previous company?" Me: "4100 euro's gross" Them: "Hmm, we need proof" Me: sends proof Them: "Okay, we'll make you an offer based on that, it's a bit high on the pay-scale though for your level")
I can't see the forest through the threes here, it just feels like I'm being tossed into a downstream river and whatever randomness happens, I just have to take it.
University isn't like that, at university you can actually shape your path. In real life, I can't shape my path, I feel little agency. I've tried. Right now I'm enjoying a 4 day work week at 80% of my salary, remotely in another European country. I suddenly catapulted myself in a very enviable position. And it's mostly luck and I've happened to have bad luck before. My sense of agency feels crushed, and I feel sad that I belief it. I wonder if it's learned helplessness or whether there's a huge kernel of truth there. With that said, I'm very grateful for what I have.
I don't know what to make of it anymore. I simply try to get by and have a lot of empathy and sympathy for people who've lost their way. I don't understand how some people can say "I chose to do xyz." How do they have so much agency?
- sinenomine 4y agoSimple advice: become a regular in higher quality programming-related communities (could be discords, IRCs etc), befriend a FAANG worker and ask for a referral. Entering the hiring funnel shouldn't be hard; it's the "exam" part which is very demanding.
- cableshaft 4y ago> I can't see the forest through the threes here, it just feels like I'm being tossed into a downstream river and whatever randomness happens, I just have to take it. Yeah, pretty much. You have some control over it, but often not as much as you'd like. I was pretty consistently one of the best in my classes in school also, and then the real world said "Haha, you actually want to work on things that interest you and innovate? Think again!" That's why I ended up working for life insurance companies and for health insurance companies and wealth management companies, despite telling myself I'd never work for such boring companies when I was younger (where I grew up, the headquarters for a life insurance company was the biggest employer in town, especially white-collar, and was omnipresent). I have had interviews at FAANGs, though, and the interview didn't go as well as it could have for various reasons (sometimes just not being given enough notice / not motivated enough to practice enough for their ridiculous exams).