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> Fatal crashes of private, business, and corporate-executive airplanes have increased after publicized murder-suicides. The more publicity given to a murder-su

> Fatal crashes of private, business, and corporate-executive airplanes have increased after publicized murder-suicides. The more publicity given to a murder-suicide, the more crashes occurred. The increase in plane crashes occurred primarily in states where the murder-suicides were publicized. These findings suggest that murder-suicide stories trigger subsequent murder-suicides, some of which are disguised as airplane accidents. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17750236/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17750236/ The media has known about their role in inducing murder-suicides by reporting on them for decades, but they keep doing it.

core-utility 4y ago
As every evil act gets blasted worldwide instantaneously, one has to think that we as a culture need to put an end to publicizing the name/photo of the attacker. It's been proven enough times that it empowers others to do the same, for the fame and recognition of the "nobody".
- norvvryo 4y ago
  There's already a voluntary ban on reporting suicides because of the copycat effect. That it hasn't been extended to murder-for-attention is reprehensible.
- toyg 4y ago
  Some media organizations already do that, typically for school shootings or "homegrown terrorists".
- r721 4y ago
  I still remember this alleged quote from Germanwings co-pilot: >According to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitzs-background-under-scrutiny https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co...
salawat 4y ago
You can't solve a problem if no one is willing to vocalize and point out that there is one. Societal meta-awareness is a necessary pre-condition of change. To be honest, I'm surprised there are not more Pilot death-by-suicides seeing as being able to fly is one of the most tightly and mercilessly regulated past times. Nevermind being able to make a living off it. For those for whom the wings are life, I can totally understand how having that jeopardized by a regulatory apparatus, and having the industrial apparatus that makes your living possible be hell bent on minimizing the number of you, could lead to a psychologically fraught population of specialists. What'd be interesting is a study of whether the occupation has a markedly higher rate than say... Shipping/sailing, bus driving, or train operation. I just wonder if there may be a sub-correlation there with habitually being the Jesus Nut for massive numbers of people on a regular basis.
- robonerd 4y ago
  > You can't solve a problem if no one is willing to vocalize and point out that there is one. Societal meta-awareness is a necessary pre-condition of change. I am reticent to discuss this matter at all since I doubt even delicate nuanced public discussion can help. But if you have data showing that public discussion about murder-suicides can reduce their incidence rate, I'd like to see it. As far as I can tell, public discussion makes it worse, but it's hard to warn people away from discussing it without yourself discussing it. Is it ethical for me to warn people away from discussing murder-suicides, if doing so necessarily means that I am discussing them? I'm not sure. It should be a matter discussed privately among journalists. From what I understand, it is discussed in journalism schools but when push comes to shove they just don't care. If it bleeds, it leads.
InitialLastName 4y ago
I don't know what the right answer for the media outlets is here; if they didn't report on things like this, the contingent that are constantly shouting that "the main-stream media is hiding the truth from you" would get louder and have another bit of real evidence to underpin their conspiracy theories.
- simonh 4y ago
  Given the choice between more deaths and noisier crazies, well, you don't have to listen to the crazies. Except when they get elected, I suppose.
  - arminiusreturns 4y ago
    I like how you jump directly to crazy from gp's "contigent of people saying the media is hiding the truth". Do you see how your response is part of the problem? Instead of addressing issues brought up, its just a label slap and then dismissal. Yeah there are real crazies who also say those things, but they are dwarfed by the amount of normal people who don't trust media and with many good reasons. I have a feeling it was the mention of "conspiracy theories" having a modern intellectual connotation of ridiculous, but its a shame because conspiracy is a legal term and it happens all the time, and there is a lot of good analysis left on the chopping block due to mere association with similar sounding phrases and conspiracy theorists being enough to shut down thought on the matter.
    - simonh 4y ago
      >contigent of people saying the media is hiding the truth Go start a media organisation, publish, go on social media, bring the truth to the people. Nobody will stop you. That's all just tosh. When I was a teenager here in the UK I used to be able to buy the English edition of Pravda in my local newsagents. In fact you can read the latest edition right now [0], thought it's a lot less risible these days. Yes news organisations often have an agenda, but they're all different agendas and doing a complete end run around them has never been easier. Don't trust them. Do your own thing. The whole hiding the truth meme isn't even CS bull anymore, it's just stupid. The free world is awash with every conceivable opinion. [0] https://english.pravda.ru/ https://english.pravda.ru/
Zhyl 4y ago
This kind of thing always makes me think of the well-known Charlie Brooker (creator of Black Mirror) clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4
RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
> The media has known about their role in inducing murder-suicides by reporting on them for decades, but they keep doing it. The media probably induced the whole school shooting epidemic, with the massive attention paid to Columbine and the Columbine shooters.
likeclockwork 4y ago
The people have a right to know!

core-utility 4y ago

As every evil act gets blasted worldwide instantaneously, one has to think that we as a culture need to put an end to publicizing the name/photo of the attacker. It's been proven enough times that it empowers others to do the same, for the fame and recognition of the "nobody".

norvvryo 4y ago
There's already a voluntary ban on reporting suicides because of the copycat effect. That it hasn't been extended to murder-for-attention is reprehensible.
toyg 4y ago
Some media organizations already do that, typically for school shootings or "homegrown terrorists".
r721 4y ago
I still remember this alleged quote from Germanwings co-pilot: >According to the German newspaper Bild, a former girlfriend of Lubitz, identified only as Mary W, said he had told her last year: “One day I will do something that will change the whole system, and then all will know my name and remember it.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitzs-background-under-scrutiny https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co...

salawat 4y ago

You can't solve a problem if no one is willing to vocalize and point out that there is one. Societal meta-awareness is a necessary pre-condition of change. To be honest, I'm surprised there are not more Pilot death-by-suicides seeing as being able to fly is one of the most tightly and mercilessly regulated past times. Nevermind being able to make a living off it. For those for whom the wings are life, I can totally understand how having that jeopardized by a regulatory apparatus, and having the industrial apparatus that makes your living possible be hell bent on minimizing the number of you, could lead to a psychologically fraught population of specialists. What'd be interesting is a study of whether the occupation has a markedly higher rate than say... Shipping/sailing, bus driving, or train operation. I just wonder if there may be a sub-correlation there with habitually being the Jesus Nut for massive numbers of people on a regular basis.

robonerd 4y ago
> You can't solve a problem if no one is willing to vocalize and point out that there is one. Societal meta-awareness is a necessary pre-condition of change. I am reticent to discuss this matter at all since I doubt even delicate nuanced public discussion can help. But if you have data showing that public discussion about murder-suicides can reduce their incidence rate, I'd like to see it. As far as I can tell, public discussion makes it worse, but it's hard to warn people away from discussing it without yourself discussing it. Is it ethical for me to warn people away from discussing murder-suicides, if doing so necessarily means that I am discussing them? I'm not sure. It should be a matter discussed privately among journalists. From what I understand, it is discussed in journalism schools but when push comes to shove they just don't care. If it bleeds, it leads.

InitialLastName 4y ago

I don't know what the right answer for the media outlets is here; if they didn't report on things like this, the contingent that are constantly shouting that "the main-stream media is hiding the truth from you" would get louder and have another bit of real evidence to underpin their conspiracy theories.

simonh 4y ago
Given the choice between more deaths and noisier crazies, well, you don't have to listen to the crazies. Except when they get elected, I suppose.
- arminiusreturns 4y ago
  I like how you jump directly to crazy from gp's "contigent of people saying the media is hiding the truth". Do you see how your response is part of the problem? Instead of addressing issues brought up, its just a label slap and then dismissal. Yeah there are real crazies who also say those things, but they are dwarfed by the amount of normal people who don't trust media and with many good reasons. I have a feeling it was the mention of "conspiracy theories" having a modern intellectual connotation of ridiculous, but its a shame because conspiracy is a legal term and it happens all the time, and there is a lot of good analysis left on the chopping block due to mere association with similar sounding phrases and conspiracy theorists being enough to shut down thought on the matter.
  - simonh 4y ago
    >contigent of people saying the media is hiding the truth Go start a media organisation, publish, go on social media, bring the truth to the people. Nobody will stop you. That's all just tosh. When I was a teenager here in the UK I used to be able to buy the English edition of Pravda in my local newsagents. In fact you can read the latest edition right now [0], thought it's a lot less risible these days. Yes news organisations often have an agenda, but they're all different agendas and doing a complete end run around them has never been easier. Don't trust them. Do your own thing. The whole hiding the truth meme isn't even CS bull anymore, it's just stupid. The free world is awash with every conceivable opinion. [0] https://english.pravda.ru/ https://english.pravda.ru/

Zhyl 4y ago

This kind of thing always makes me think of the well-known Charlie Brooker (creator of Black Mirror) clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago

> The media has known about their role in inducing murder-suicides by reporting on them for decades, but they keep doing it. The media probably induced the whole school shooting epidemic, with the massive attention paid to Columbine and the Columbine shooters.

likeclockwork 4y ago

The people have a right to know!