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I am not a Hungarian citizen, but I am grateful that Hungary often has enough courage to call nonsense a nonsense and use or threaten with their veto to bring a

I am not a Hungarian citizen, but I am grateful that Hungary often has enough courage to call nonsense a nonsense and use or threaten with their veto to bring a bit of sanity in the EU. Heck, I can say that Hungary voted more frequently in my interest than my government. The EU is frequently used to push some regulations in favour of big corps that would never pass in any of the national parliaments without a big fight. That's why I'm glad that at least someone sometimes can stop this.

pojzon 4y ago
Can you give any example of Hungary and Poland vetoing in good faith ? Lately it seems they only cover own ass, while all other states are in agreement. When only you see a problem its often the case you are the problem not the other way around. Ps. I say that as a Polish citizen.
- tut-urut-utut 4y ago
  > Can you give any example of Hungary and Poland vetoing in good faith ? Hungary and Poland were the only countries opposing the unlimited migration. Hungary is the only country that pushes back on sanctions that harms us in Germany more than them in Russia. Austria and Netherlands were opposing a huge debt package to fight corona. > Lately it seems they only cover own ass, while all other states are in agreement. Maybe state governments are in the agreements, but not the majority of population. In Germany, some topics were truly polarizing, governments frequently voted for topics that had domestic majority against it, and Hungary and Poland voted for what represents the will of German population majority. On the other hand, in capitalistic economic theory, the only way to get a sane system is if everyone acts only in its own self-interest. Asking humans to do something for "common or higher good" usually leads to one party exploiting the other. > When only you see a problem its often the case you are the problem not the other way around. I doubt that in Europe, we ever had that strong consensus between European citizens. It's usually that governments have strong consensus that is not always reflected in the population. Instead of ditching veto right, I would rather go the other direction, to the more Swiss style direct democracy, where power would be brought back to people, and away from the governments. If citizen could decide on important topics, we would not need veto at all. > Ps. I say that as a Polish citizen. As a German citizen, I wish you more power to your citizens, as opposed to EU or polish goverment, even when we have different preferences.
  - pojzon 4y ago
    Current goverment policy is to make everyone, beside selected few, poor. So that everyone will be dependent on social programs. Its terrifying how their every law was to destroy middle and upper middle class. Its terrifying how polarized and tyrranical their actions towards media and oposition are. Being totally against immigration is just xenophoby and/or bigotry.

pojzon 4y ago

Can you give any example of Hungary and Poland vetoing in good faith ? Lately it seems they only cover own ass, while all other states are in agreement. When only you see a problem its often the case you are the problem not the other way around. Ps. I say that as a Polish citizen.

tut-urut-utut 4y ago
> Can you give any example of Hungary and Poland vetoing in good faith ? Hungary and Poland were the only countries opposing the unlimited migration. Hungary is the only country that pushes back on sanctions that harms us in Germany more than them in Russia. Austria and Netherlands were opposing a huge debt package to fight corona. > Lately it seems they only cover own ass, while all other states are in agreement. Maybe state governments are in the agreements, but not the majority of population. In Germany, some topics were truly polarizing, governments frequently voted for topics that had domestic majority against it, and Hungary and Poland voted for what represents the will of German population majority. On the other hand, in capitalistic economic theory, the only way to get a sane system is if everyone acts only in its own self-interest. Asking humans to do something for "common or higher good" usually leads to one party exploiting the other. > When only you see a problem its often the case you are the problem not the other way around. I doubt that in Europe, we ever had that strong consensus between European citizens. It's usually that governments have strong consensus that is not always reflected in the population. Instead of ditching veto right, I would rather go the other direction, to the more Swiss style direct democracy, where power would be brought back to people, and away from the governments. If citizen could decide on important topics, we would not need veto at all. > Ps. I say that as a Polish citizen. As a German citizen, I wish you more power to your citizens, as opposed to EU or polish goverment, even when we have different preferences.
- pojzon 4y ago
  Current goverment policy is to make everyone, beside selected few, poor. So that everyone will be dependent on social programs. Its terrifying how their every law was to destroy middle and upper middle class. Its terrifying how polarized and tyrranical their actions towards media and oposition are. Being totally against immigration is just xenophoby and/or bigotry.