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Regarding the investment part (not the marketing or insurances obv.) how is that different from what an investment bank does when it invest in long term product

Regarding the investment part (not the marketing or insurances obv.) how is that different from what an investment bank does when it invest in long term products? If the funds are in e.g. long term bonds, real estate, mortgages... the investors can't get back all of their money all at once, it will take years to mature, also the capital they are required to hold are only a few percent, so they are also technically insolvent right? Genuinely asking.

zebogen 4y ago
I think it is similar in that it is possible for a fund to become insolvent, but consumers are protected by the Investment Company Act of 1940. This requires the companies that run mutual funds to rely on a custodian bank to hold their assets. This way, if the fund does go bankrupt, the company operating it cannot access them to ensure that investors are paid out instead of being rug pulled. It limits the amount of leverage the fund can have, requires them to maintain a cash buffer, and required them to report regularly on their financial condition. Fraud is still possible, of course, but consumers have WAY more protections with fiat investments. https://www.sec.gov/investment/laws-and-rules https://www.sec.gov/investment/laws-and-rules
- tarsinge 4y ago
  Sure I understand regarding the protections. But regarding the nature of the investments by themselves in don't find the difference meaningful enough to earn the label "truly degenerate trading strategies with investor funds." compared with what we currently see in non-crypto Finance, which is equally degenerate for me in that case.
CaptainZapp 4y ago
I think the major difference is that such investments are usually in substantial assets. Something that definitely can't be said of some of those fantasy funny coins.
- tarsinge 4y ago
  In theory maybe, in practice I don't find speculation on financial products any more substantial, like stocks where they are not owned with aims regarding dividends or the governance of the company (which is the point of a stock) but only to be unloaded on someone in the future at a higher price. The nature of the token doesn't matter in that case only the sentiments of other traders.

zebogen 4y ago

I think it is similar in that it is possible for a fund to become insolvent, but consumers are protected by the Investment Company Act of 1940. This requires the companies that run mutual funds to rely on a custodian bank to hold their assets. This way, if the fund does go bankrupt, the company operating it cannot access them to ensure that investors are paid out instead of being rug pulled. It limits the amount of leverage the fund can have, requires them to maintain a cash buffer, and required them to report regularly on their financial condition. Fraud is still possible, of course, but consumers have WAY more protections with fiat investments. https://www.sec.gov/investment/laws-and-rules https://www.sec.gov/investment/laws-and-rules

tarsinge 4y ago
Sure I understand regarding the protections. But regarding the nature of the investments by themselves in don't find the difference meaningful enough to earn the label "truly degenerate trading strategies with investor funds." compared with what we currently see in non-crypto Finance, which is equally degenerate for me in that case.

CaptainZapp 4y ago

I think the major difference is that such investments are usually in substantial assets. Something that definitely can't be said of some of those fantasy funny coins.

tarsinge 4y ago
In theory maybe, in practice I don't find speculation on financial products any more substantial, like stocks where they are not owned with aims regarding dividends or the governance of the company (which is the point of a stock) but only to be unloaded on someone in the future at a higher price. The nature of the token doesn't matter in that case only the sentiments of other traders.