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"Progressive" isn't just a single spectrum, there are at least two axes: social and economic. Amazon is definitely socially progressive, but it doesn't look lik

"Progressive" isn't just a single spectrum, there are at least two axes: social and economic. Amazon is definitely socially progressive, but it doesn't look like that carries across to their economic politics.

danuker 4y ago
Wouldn't interfering with unions mean attacking free speech and freedom of assembly, which is the opposite of socially progressive?
- themacguffinman 4y ago
  Anti-union behavior as "interfering" and "attacking" general principles like free speech is your own politically biased framing. Nothing wrong with that, but you could also frame it as supporting the free speech and freedom of assembly of capital owners/managers, or that unions are "interfering" with corporations. The difference between the two warring factions here is not social, it is economic.
  - jseban 4y ago
    Unions are also limiting the freedom of the individual worker.
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- jseban 4y ago
  What exactly about unions is progressive? It was something that came out of the industrial revolution, had its breakthrough in the 1930s, its peak in the 1970s, and has been in steady decline for 40 years, and for good reasons. Promoting postwar politics in 2022 is not progressive, it's regressive.
24rf24r2f 4y ago
In what way is Amazon "definitely socially progressive"? At most they put up a pride-themed logo on social media once a year, and only in countries with governments that are amenable to it. If you mean they are equal-opportunity exploiters, then ok I guess. But Amazon is not progressive at all, they are driven only by calculations of profit and power. It is no different to pseudo-progressive politicians like Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc. who for example had their public relations teams flip a switch on the messaging around gay marriage the moment that the demographic data showed that it was acceptably palatable to the general public.
yellowapple 4y ago
> there are at least two axes: social and economic In practice, they're the same axis. There is no society without economy, and there is no economy without society. Plenty of people try to pretend otherwise, but the result is oodles of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.

danuker 4y ago

Wouldn't interfering with unions mean attacking free speech and freedom of assembly, which is the opposite of socially progressive?

themacguffinman 4y ago
Anti-union behavior as "interfering" and "attacking" general principles like free speech is your own politically biased framing. Nothing wrong with that, but you could also frame it as supporting the free speech and freedom of assembly of capital owners/managers, or that unions are "interfering" with corporations. The difference between the two warring factions here is not social, it is economic.
- jseban 4y ago
  Unions are also limiting the freedom of the individual worker.
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jseban 4y ago
What exactly about unions is progressive? It was something that came out of the industrial revolution, had its breakthrough in the 1930s, its peak in the 1970s, and has been in steady decline for 40 years, and for good reasons. Promoting postwar politics in 2022 is not progressive, it's regressive.

24rf24r2f 4y ago

In what way is Amazon "definitely socially progressive"? At most they put up a pride-themed logo on social media once a year, and only in countries with governments that are amenable to it. If you mean they are equal-opportunity exploiters, then ok I guess. But Amazon is not progressive at all, they are driven only by calculations of profit and power. It is no different to pseudo-progressive politicians like Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc. who for example had their public relations teams flip a switch on the messaging around gay marriage the moment that the demographic data showed that it was acceptably palatable to the general public.

yellowapple 4y ago

> there are at least two axes: social and economic In practice, they're the same axis. There is no society without economy, and there is no economy without society. Plenty of people try to pretend otherwise, but the result is oodles of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.