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What's even worse is getting companies to pay for this stuff. Getting a company to buy software to help you do your job is like pulling teeth.

by bmitc 4y ago

foolfoolz 4y ago
any company will let you expense a few hundred dollars for a tool you use literally every day many hours a day. if you’re having trouble they are not good to work for or you’re asking the wrong way
- KronisLV 4y ago
  > if you’re having trouble they are not good to work for That is true, but also in some places that is also the status quo: especially in countries where the developers don't get 6 figure salaries and don't create as much value to their respective companies.
- Jistern 4y ago
  I concur.
- imaginaryNumb3r 4y ago
  how is this not common sense
philderbeast 4y ago
if a company wont pay for an IDE for there developers then I certainly won't be paying for it out of my pocket. if they can't justify paying ~$100 for my ide of choice, then they are costing them selves far more in lost productivity, and that's not my problem.
- cvak 4y ago
  IDEA is 650€/ year for our company. Not saying Company should not pay that, but it's not $100
zenlot 4y ago
In most cases you cannot use personal licence on a company hardware. JetBrains also have separation between individual licences and organization licences.
- bmitc 4y ago
  I'm not talking about the distinction between free non-commercial and commercial licenses. I'm just talking in general that it's tough to get companies to purchase any software.
- fomine3 4y ago
  JetBrains allows users to use personal license for work, but declines company to buy cheap personal license. I think this is good pricing. I agree that make company to buy license is annoying.
sam0x17 4y ago
I dunno I've been in plenty of situations where a department head will literally beg me to buy things so they can reach the same budget spend as last year so their budget isn't slashed (DoD), and have seen the same situation in VC-backed startups looking to come up with tax write offs. Businesses for the most part love spending money and would rather do that than pay taxes, which is definitely a problem with corporate society these days.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  No sane business wants to spend $100 to save $15-30 in taxes.
  - sam0x17 4y ago
    Tell that to Amazon or any FANG company that doesn't pay taxes because their clever use of writeoffs and "losses"
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      They're spending $100 to invest in the growth of their company, which is quite different from "love spending money" or "begging for something to buy" to reduce their taxes.

What's even worse is getting companies to pay for this stuff. Getting a company to buy software to help you do your job is like pulling teeth.

by bmitc 4y ago

What's even worse is getting companies to pay for this stuff. Getting a company to buy software to help you do your job is like pulling teeth.

foolfoolz 4y ago

any company will let you expense a few hundred dollars for a tool you use literally every day many hours a day. if you’re having trouble they are not good to work for or you’re asking the wrong way

KronisLV 4y ago
> if you’re having trouble they are not good to work for That is true, but also in some places that is also the status quo: especially in countries where the developers don't get 6 figure salaries and don't create as much value to their respective companies.
Jistern 4y ago
I concur.
imaginaryNumb3r 4y ago
how is this not common sense

philderbeast 4y ago

if a company wont pay for an IDE for there developers then I certainly won't be paying for it out of my pocket. if they can't justify paying ~$100 for my ide of choice, then they are costing them selves far more in lost productivity, and that's not my problem.

cvak 4y ago
IDEA is 650€/ year for our company. Not saying Company should not pay that, but it's not $100

zenlot 4y ago

In most cases you cannot use personal licence on a company hardware. JetBrains also have separation between individual licences and organization licences.

bmitc 4y ago
I'm not talking about the distinction between free non-commercial and commercial licenses. I'm just talking in general that it's tough to get companies to purchase any software.
fomine3 4y ago
JetBrains allows users to use personal license for work, but declines company to buy cheap personal license. I think this is good pricing. I agree that make company to buy license is annoying.

sam0x17 4y ago

I dunno I've been in plenty of situations where a department head will literally beg me to buy things so they can reach the same budget spend as last year so their budget isn't slashed (DoD), and have seen the same situation in VC-backed startups looking to come up with tax write offs. Businesses for the most part love spending money and would rather do that than pay taxes, which is definitely a problem with corporate society these days.

sokoloff 4y ago
No sane business wants to spend $100 to save $15-30 in taxes.
- sam0x17 4y ago
  Tell that to Amazon or any FANG company that doesn't pay taxes because their clever use of writeoffs and "losses"
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    They're spending $100 to invest in the growth of their company, which is quite different from "love spending money" or "begging for something to buy" to reduce their taxes.