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This might be a slightly more trenchant critique if Stanford weren't simultaneously declaring war on houses devoted to everything from French culture to coopera

This might be a slightly more trenchant critique if Stanford weren't simultaneously declaring war on houses devoted to everything from French culture to cooperative vegetarian meals. But, as little as I liked the frats, I'm not going to throw them under the bus and push the idea that they were some kind of dens of misogyny and rape. They're not. If Stanford really wanted to combat those ills, perhaps it should focus more on the more general culture of binge drinking.

ketzo 4y ago
In my sophomore year, my roommate came back at 7am after being out all night with his thighs literally purple from paddling. He couldn't stand up for a day - I had to bring him meals. He was in the professional society for international relations students. It's not just frats.
- scarmig 4y ago
  Originally you were critiquing > the un-fucking-believably fraught legacy that the Greek fraternity system has And now it seems you've expanded to every independent student organization, which apparently are all too brutalizing to students and must be abolished, to be replaced by the perfect all-seeing vision of university bureaucrats and administrators. I can say that my house (which admittedly was explicitly themed around nonviolent activism) never beat or hazed any member of it in the three years I was there. And yet it still has fallen under the eye of Sauron.
  - ketzo 4y ago
    Not all. Not even most! I was in a fraternity, and we never laid a hand on a person. Extremely strict zero-tolerance towards even suggesting that someone was required to drink. The worst hazing that we ever allowed was asking new members to go get us some coffee -- if they had time. But just because your house is ostensibly "devoted to French culture" or whatever doesn't mean you can't get up to some horrible shit. It doesn't give you a free pass just because you're missing the Greek letters. I mean, do you think fraternities are "devoted to" hazing? That it's on their mission statement?
- asdff 4y ago
  Hazing happens anywhere in college. Your own roommates could haze you in your dorm, you don't need a student org or an off campus house. I'm not sure there is much of an easy solution. You ban all the student orgs you want and force people to live in a dorm for 4 years, and people will still party and get drunk and do stupid things and be terrible people at times.
  - watwut 4y ago
    This is not true. I was in college and there was no hazing. Your own roommates could bully you and then you can ask to change rooms. You might not be able to get new one, but it is not nearly the same institutionalized hazing.
    - asdff 4y ago
      You could also willingly leave any fraternity whenever you want even easier than the room change process. You just walk out and never show up again. Hazing can happen in all sorts of student orgs, thinking its limited to greek life is shortsighted. I've heard stories from everything from club sports to professional organizations. There was even a religious cult that arranged marriages between members all living in the same overcrowded home.

ketzo 4y ago

In my sophomore year, my roommate came back at 7am after being out all night with his thighs literally purple from paddling. He couldn't stand up for a day - I had to bring him meals. He was in the professional society for international relations students. It's not just frats.

scarmig 4y ago
Originally you were critiquing > the un-fucking-believably fraught legacy that the Greek fraternity system has And now it seems you've expanded to every independent student organization, which apparently are all too brutalizing to students and must be abolished, to be replaced by the perfect all-seeing vision of university bureaucrats and administrators. I can say that my house (which admittedly was explicitly themed around nonviolent activism) never beat or hazed any member of it in the three years I was there. And yet it still has fallen under the eye of Sauron.
- ketzo 4y ago
  Not all. Not even most! I was in a fraternity, and we never laid a hand on a person. Extremely strict zero-tolerance towards even suggesting that someone was required to drink. The worst hazing that we ever allowed was asking new members to go get us some coffee -- if they had time. But just because your house is ostensibly "devoted to French culture" or whatever doesn't mean you can't get up to some horrible shit. It doesn't give you a free pass just because you're missing the Greek letters. I mean, do you think fraternities are "devoted to" hazing? That it's on their mission statement?
asdff 4y ago
Hazing happens anywhere in college. Your own roommates could haze you in your dorm, you don't need a student org or an off campus house. I'm not sure there is much of an easy solution. You ban all the student orgs you want and force people to live in a dorm for 4 years, and people will still party and get drunk and do stupid things and be terrible people at times.
- watwut 4y ago
  This is not true. I was in college and there was no hazing. Your own roommates could bully you and then you can ask to change rooms. You might not be able to get new one, but it is not nearly the same institutionalized hazing.
  - asdff 4y ago
    You could also willingly leave any fraternity whenever you want even easier than the room change process. You just walk out and never show up again. Hazing can happen in all sorts of student orgs, thinking its limited to greek life is shortsighted. I've heard stories from everything from club sports to professional organizations. There was even a religious cult that arranged marriages between members all living in the same overcrowded home.