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> I'd say it would be a good thing if there's legislation that protects against mob-triggered terminations. You could also say freedom of speech has limits, li

by kodah 4y ago

> I'd say it would be a good thing if there's legislation that protects against mob-triggered terminations. You could also say freedom of speech has limits, like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. If someone starts a mob, knowingly or unknowingly, encourages a mob, or information thereof is found to be incorrect it would make sense if there were consequences.

fleddr 4y ago
I was looking at it from a different angle. I think making laws to stop a mob from forming would be very hard, complex, and have lots of hairy side effects. My idea instead is to look at it from an employer's side: one should not be able to fire somebody on the spot for fuzzy PR reasons. So the mob can still form, but the ultimate consequence, a termination, in most cases would be impossible. As to stopping mobs from forming or doing their damage, I strongly believe social networks can do quite a lot too.
rootusrootus 4y ago
We could decide that doxxing amounts to a threat, and charge people who do it.
- mc32 4y ago
  Doxxing is a very interesting phenomenon. Sometimes it's in the interest of the public (someone who might document mr Epstein, for example), but it's not when someone on a plane, hears someone a seat up say something that upsets them and then they document that person in an act of unilateral vengeance for a real or perceived anonymous transgression. ("I heard this woman say Squaw Valley, I'm sure she knows it was changed and did it with the intention of offending the some members of some tribes that feel offended by the term and I found out this is her, she is the CFO at such and such")
mwint 4y ago
> shouting "fire" in a crowded theater ... was an analogy in a Supreme Court case from more than a hundred years ago, that was overturned nearly 50 years ago. Good reading: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...
- pstuart 4y ago
  The analogy itself is worthy in a literal context -- the prosecution of anti-war protestors was horribly wrong.

by kodah 4y ago

fleddr 4y ago

I was looking at it from a different angle. I think making laws to stop a mob from forming would be very hard, complex, and have lots of hairy side effects. My idea instead is to look at it from an employer's side: one should not be able to fire somebody on the spot for fuzzy PR reasons. So the mob can still form, but the ultimate consequence, a termination, in most cases would be impossible. As to stopping mobs from forming or doing their damage, I strongly believe social networks can do quite a lot too.

rootusrootus 4y ago

We could decide that doxxing amounts to a threat, and charge people who do it.

mc32 4y ago
Doxxing is a very interesting phenomenon. Sometimes it's in the interest of the public (someone who might document mr Epstein, for example), but it's not when someone on a plane, hears someone a seat up say something that upsets them and then they document that person in an act of unilateral vengeance for a real or perceived anonymous transgression. ("I heard this woman say Squaw Valley, I'm sure she knows it was changed and did it with the intention of offending the some members of some tribes that feel offended by the term and I found out this is her, she is the CFO at such and such")

mwint 4y ago

> shouting "fire" in a crowded theater ... was an analogy in a Supreme Court case from more than a hundred years ago, that was overturned nearly 50 years ago. Good reading: https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-time-to-stop-using-the-fire-in-a-crowded-theater-quote/264449/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

pstuart 4y ago
The analogy itself is worthy in a literal context -- the prosecution of anti-war protestors was horribly wrong.