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North Carolina is interesting. I view the 'free energy!' marketing ploy for BEVs as a marketing gambit which will end once people are on the hook. I'm not sure

North Carolina is interesting. I view the 'free energy!' marketing ploy for BEVs as a marketing gambit which will end once people are on the hook. I'm not sure this is as simple as being a 'Republican', it's more about societal symmetry around energy availability, cost and usage. Electricity isn't free to create and pollution is created elsewhere than the vehicle tailpipe. We are currently in a very irrational period of history where people are being seduced with the idea energy is 'free'. It isn't.

rory 4y ago
Europeans are very acutely that energy isn't free right now.
onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
It costs >$100 to fill up an SUV. It costs <$5 to charge a Model Y. You usually don't charge your car from empty to full. Do we need to also remind people that water and bathrooms aren't free and start charging for those?
- usaar333 4y ago
  > It costs <$5 to charge a Model Y. Is that typical of North Carolina? Seems cheap. At $0.24/kWh (that's my off-peak EV rate in the Bay Area), it's over $18 to charge a 75 kwh battery.
  - rtp4me 4y ago
    We pay $0.10/kWh here in the RTP area. To completely charge my Model-Y costs about $8.50. We don't have discounted rates for off-hours...
    - krallja 4y ago
      > We don't have discounted rates for off-hours... We do! You can call up Duke Energy and asked to be switched to the RSTC rate plan. https://www.duke-energy.com/home/billing/rates https://www.duke-energy.com/home/billing/rates If you have control of your major electricity use (HVAC, electric dryer, electric oven, EV charging), it can be a lot cheaper. The downside is if you do need to use a large amount of power during the “critical peak” period, it will cost you 35¢/kWh
      - rtp4me 4y ago
        Unfortunately, I am not on Duke Energy (Town of Apex). Thus, no discount rate...
        krallja 4y ago
        The Peak of Good Living also has a Residential Time of Use rate: http://apexnc.org/241/Utility-Rates-Schedules http://apexnc.org/241/Utility-Rates-Schedules
        rtp4me 4y ago
        Wow - thanks for this! I had no idea. I just looked at our last bill from May, and the electrical usage was 517KWh and the cost was $68.25 ($0.13/KWh). I guess this must be the result of the on-peak and off-peak costs.
        krallja 4y ago
        That’s precisely $0.1029/kWh when you remove the $15.05 “Customer Charge” base rate, so you’re on the flat Residential Service rate. You should check your usage and see if TOU rates would be cheaper overall.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    That sounds about right at the moment for the bay area. Regardless of state/price...not free. I can't bring my own electric heater into a retail store with a heater in winter and plug it in to warm up. That same retail store factors in their energy costs into the goods/services it sells.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      https://youtu.be/0flRWnQIQmA https://youtu.be/0flRWnQIQmA Scotty Kilmer | 'No One is Telling You the Truth About Electric Cars, So I Have To'

rory 4y ago

Europeans are very acutely that energy isn't free right now.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

It costs >$100 to fill up an SUV. It costs <$5 to charge a Model Y. You usually don't charge your car from empty to full. Do we need to also remind people that water and bathrooms aren't free and start charging for those?

usaar333 4y ago
> It costs <$5 to charge a Model Y. Is that typical of North Carolina? Seems cheap. At $0.24/kWh (that's my off-peak EV rate in the Bay Area), it's over $18 to charge a 75 kwh battery.
- rtp4me 4y ago
  We pay $0.10/kWh here in the RTP area. To completely charge my Model-Y costs about $8.50. We don't have discounted rates for off-hours...
  - krallja 4y ago
    > We don't have discounted rates for off-hours... We do! You can call up Duke Energy and asked to be switched to the RSTC rate plan. https://www.duke-energy.com/home/billing/rates https://www.duke-energy.com/home/billing/rates If you have control of your major electricity use (HVAC, electric dryer, electric oven, EV charging), it can be a lot cheaper. The downside is if you do need to use a large amount of power during the “critical peak” period, it will cost you 35¢/kWh
    - rtp4me 4y ago
      Unfortunately, I am not on Duke Energy (Town of Apex). Thus, no discount rate...
      - krallja 4y ago
        The Peak of Good Living also has a Residential Time of Use rate: http://apexnc.org/241/Utility-Rates-Schedules http://apexnc.org/241/Utility-Rates-Schedules
        rtp4me 4y ago
        Wow - thanks for this! I had no idea. I just looked at our last bill from May, and the electrical usage was 517KWh and the cost was $68.25 ($0.13/KWh). I guess this must be the result of the on-peak and off-peak costs.
        krallja 4y ago
        That’s precisely $0.1029/kWh when you remove the $15.05 “Customer Charge” base rate, so you’re on the flat Residential Service rate. You should check your usage and see if TOU rates would be cheaper overall.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  That sounds about right at the moment for the bay area. Regardless of state/price...not free. I can't bring my own electric heater into a retail store with a heater in winter and plug it in to warm up. That same retail store factors in their energy costs into the goods/services it sells.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    https://youtu.be/0flRWnQIQmA https://youtu.be/0flRWnQIQmA Scotty Kilmer | 'No One is Telling You the Truth About Electric Cars, So I Have To'