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key statement at the top of the bill: "UNLESS GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL FOR MOTOR VEHICLES IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AT NO CHARGE." At best this is legislators

key statement at the top of the bill: "UNLESS GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL FOR MOTOR VEHICLES IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AT NO CHARGE." At best this is legislators upset about missing tax revenue from fossil fuels, but its more realistically just reactionary bureaucrats stomping their feet as gas and diesel prices soar north of $5 a gallon. I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
> I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks. I am no fan of trucks and a big fan of EVs, but those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on. NC revenue from gas taxes has been declining already which is why the infrastructure is so bad. You should be realistic that some kind of tax is coming for electric vehicles and you will not be happy when they tell you to report your EV's milage to the IRS every year to make up for the shortfall in gas taxes.
- dangrossman 4y ago
  > those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on Hi, I live in North Carolina. I pay more road taxes on my EV than I ever paid in state gas taxes, so I guess it's the other way around: I'm keeping the roads functional for the SUVs to drive on. North Carolina, like 30+ other states, already charges an annual fee to all electric vehicle owners to make up for the gas tax. It's been collected since 2014. It's $130 per year, which brings my annual registration and property tax bill to about $500 per vehicle. Here's a map of the states with EV taxes to make up for gas taxes. It's from 2021, so already out of date, but most of the US map is colored in with fees ranging from $50 to $235. North Carolina proposed raising the tax from $130 to $275 in 2019, but the bill didn't pass. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Transportation/21_Nov/2021ElectricVehicleFees.pdf https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Tran...
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    The average people pay in gas tax in NC is $200. So you are getting a discount, and one that does not increase the more you drive. You get to lower your overall tax just by driving more, so the more you drive the less you pay. The more you damage the roads the less you pay. https://www.ncdot.gov/about-us/how-we-operate/finance-budget/nc-first/Documents/nc-first-brief-edition-1.pdf https://www.ncdot.gov/about-us/how-we-operate/finance-budget... They should have raised the tax in 2019 to fix the roads.
    - dangrossman 4y ago
      I'm not getting a discount, as my previous vehicle did not get only 22 miles per gallon, nor did I drive 12000 miles a year. I'm paying more than twice as much towards the roads now. Saying that I will pay less taxes by driving more is nonsense, since the tax does not change whether I drive 1 mile or a million. Anecdotally, all the roads in my area (northeast Raleigh) are in pristine shape, as were I85/I95 in NC when I took road trips in the past.
      - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        Raleigh is not North Carolina. It's a pretty big state. But that is the problem, we do not think communally anymore. As long as I am ok, so what, right? Report Ranks North Carolina As Having Some Of The Worst Infrastructure In America https://www.charlottestories.com/report-ranks-north-carolina-worst-infrastructure-america/ https://www.charlottestories.com/report-ranks-north-carolina...
        dangrossman 4y ago
        You're really on the attack, huh. That report puts North Carolina right in the middle on road conditions, with just 6% in poor shape. I've driven from the Cherokee reservations on the western border to the islands off the east coast without running into any bad roads. They were much worse when I lived in Pennsylvania, since Pennsylvania has actual winters to tear up the asphalt.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago

> I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks. I am no fan of trucks and a big fan of EVs, but those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on. NC revenue from gas taxes has been declining already which is why the infrastructure is so bad. You should be realistic that some kind of tax is coming for electric vehicles and you will not be happy when they tell you to report your EV's milage to the IRS every year to make up for the shortfall in gas taxes.

dangrossman 4y ago
> those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on Hi, I live in North Carolina. I pay more road taxes on my EV than I ever paid in state gas taxes, so I guess it's the other way around: I'm keeping the roads functional for the SUVs to drive on. North Carolina, like 30+ other states, already charges an annual fee to all electric vehicle owners to make up for the gas tax. It's been collected since 2014. It's $130 per year, which brings my annual registration and property tax bill to about $500 per vehicle. Here's a map of the states with EV taxes to make up for gas taxes. It's from 2021, so already out of date, but most of the US map is colored in with fees ranging from $50 to $235. North Carolina proposed raising the tax from $130 to $275 in 2019, but the bill didn't pass. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Transportation/21_Nov/2021ElectricVehicleFees.pdf https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Tran...
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  The average people pay in gas tax in NC is $200. So you are getting a discount, and one that does not increase the more you drive. You get to lower your overall tax just by driving more, so the more you drive the less you pay. The more you damage the roads the less you pay. https://www.ncdot.gov/about-us/how-we-operate/finance-budget/nc-first/Documents/nc-first-brief-edition-1.pdf https://www.ncdot.gov/about-us/how-we-operate/finance-budget... They should have raised the tax in 2019 to fix the roads.
  - dangrossman 4y ago
    I'm not getting a discount, as my previous vehicle did not get only 22 miles per gallon, nor did I drive 12000 miles a year. I'm paying more than twice as much towards the roads now. Saying that I will pay less taxes by driving more is nonsense, since the tax does not change whether I drive 1 mile or a million. Anecdotally, all the roads in my area (northeast Raleigh) are in pristine shape, as were I85/I95 in NC when I took road trips in the past.
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      Raleigh is not North Carolina. It's a pretty big state. But that is the problem, we do not think communally anymore. As long as I am ok, so what, right? Report Ranks North Carolina As Having Some Of The Worst Infrastructure In America https://www.charlottestories.com/report-ranks-north-carolina-worst-infrastructure-america/ https://www.charlottestories.com/report-ranks-north-carolina...
      - dangrossman 4y ago
        You're really on the attack, huh. That report puts North Carolina right in the middle on road conditions, with just 6% in poor shape. I've driven from the Cherokee reservations on the western border to the islands off the east coast without running into any bad roads. They were much worse when I lived in Pennsylvania, since Pennsylvania has actual winters to tear up the asphalt.