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> I said that pointing out the poor practices of some cultures are likely to be viewed by members of those cultures as an attack. Which implies they want to li
by lern_too_spel 4y ago
> I said that pointing out the poor practices of some cultures are likely to be viewed by members of those cultures as an attack.
Which implies they want to live like this and want to uphold this culture, which is clearly stupid, and the point I have been attacking this entire thread.
> I did not do this either:
>> You're blaming the victims instead of helping them.
Is this you?
"The trouble is that you cannot actually win any argument in trying to "uplift" or "enlighten" people by asking them to reject what they consider parts of their culture."
Where by what they consider to be parts of their culture, you mean "a culture which encourages primitive and superstitious practices" (which sounds like American conservatives to me), "a culture that values sports over education" (for groups that weren't allowed a proper education until the 1960s and weren't given opportunities to use an education for as long), and "a culture that normalises or encourages single parents over the alternatives."
You actually believe that they want to be single parents (something that they learned from everybody they were around living that way) instead of learning about and having access to family planning, and you're blaming them for it. What do you think people are pushing for life skills, SEL, sex education, and science education in public schools for if not to fix this?
> And then happily posted evidence against that claim:
You're having a tough time keeping up, maybe having grown up in a conservative culture that does not value education (see how I can point out cultures that don't value education without being politically incorrect, as long as I point out how this can change?), but I did not contradict myself. These are two separate cultures, and one culture can change into another with enough political will.
> I actually said that race doesn't matter. Your "evidence" you posted about the Nigerians actually supports what I said.
I also said that race doesn't matter. My point was that cultures can change, which is the point I have been continuously making and the point that you have been continuously missing. "European culture" isn't uniform. There are many who have been enlightened and can think rationally, and there are many who are still superstitious and not yet capable of doing so. Their culture can be fixed, and it is not politically incorrect to say so, though many conservatives find that offensive.
> you appear to have no desire for anything other than virtue signalling.
Apparently, saying that a problem is fixable and supporting policies to fix them is "virtue signaling," while saying that a problem is somebody else's problem and doing nothing is actual virtue in conservative culture. At the risk of virtue signaling again, I'll say that this self-defeating culture that results in high crime societies and slow economic progress can be fixed, just like any other.
- em-bee 4y agothey probably want to be single parents because they see the bad examples of parenting all around them. but that doesn't mean that they would still want to be singe parents if they could experience good parenting.
- lelanthran 4y ago> You're having a tough time keeping up, maybe having grown up in a conservative culture > though many conservatives find that offensive. I think I see the problem - you think you're talking to a white person[1]. It certainly explains why you so quickly rushed into the race argument when no such argument was made. You come from a place of privilege and advantage, so you see no reason not to paint with a broad brush - you're always right after all! Anyone who doesn't agree must be secretly racist, right? There's a lot more nuance to the world, and your simplistic and childish shortsighted view of how these things work are laughably ridiculous. Of course, by first painting me as racist, and then as conservative, you've displayed that you have absolutely no idea what is happening in the world around you. You've twice mischaracterised me, first as racist, then as white-conservative. If you cannot even get something as easy as that correct, why are you so sure of your opinions, especially as it is clear you have not actually experienced or seen firsthand suffering under a legislated racist regime? How about you first get the small facts accurate before you try making large empty gestures? [1] I grew up under apartheid South Africa, seeing "whites only" signs that were literally legislated by law. I grew up under laws that forbid non-whites going into white areas. Education was legislated to be limited to non-whites. This wasn't back in the 60s either, it was the early 90s.
- lern_too_spel 4y ago> I think I see the problem - you think you're talking to a white person I don't think I'm talking to a white person. I think I'm talking to a conservative. Herman Cain wasn't white. > It certainly explains why you so quickly rushed into the race argument when no such argument was made. You continue to misunderstand that argument. My argument is that the culture of black Americans was shaped by the society they live in and what conservatives consistently fail to understand due to their simplistic world view is that it can be reshaped. > You've twice mischaracterised me, first as racist, then as white-conservative You're the only person who has done that. > How about you first get the small facts accurate Yes, please!