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Political jackassery such as this is probably the main reason we don't move back to NC. "First off, the bill wants businesses (restaurants etc.) with free char

Political jackassery such as this is probably the main reason we don't move back to NC. "First off, the bill wants businesses (restaurants etc.) with free charging stations to print at the bottom of every receipt how much of the customer’s bill goes towards subsidizing charging" Yeah, let's put the burden of this legislation on small businesses, for starters. I will rhetorically ask, who exactly are these legislators bending over for?

KennyBlanken 4y ago
I will rhetorically ask "which is the party of small government?" (the same party that forces every package of non-hormone-boosted dairy to feature a disclaimer that hormone dairy is the same blah blah blah. More small government!)
- ATsch 4y ago
  People say this as a gotcha but it's really not, "small government" has always just been a euphemism for austerity and anti-welfare politics. It's like "family values" or "states rights", you're not really going to get anywhere useful by taking these euphemisms at face value.
  - frankfrankfrank 4y ago
- antisthenes 4y ago
  If you're going to ask rhetorical questions, you better make sure your position is 100% bulletproof.
- ThunderSizzle 4y ago
  Small federal government. I'm not a huge fan over over zealous state governments, but I have significant more representation at the state level. I have less representation at the federal level than the 13 colonies had with Parliament with their "virtual representation".
profmonocle 4y ago
Why stop at EV charging? Require restaurants to disclose how much of my bill goes towards subsidizing free ketchup and mustard.
- Arrath 4y ago
  Why not require WalMart etc. to print on the bottom of receipts what proportions of their workforce are on public aid programs, barely scraping by on minimum wage?
  - snotrockets 4y ago
    "An additional $XXXX of wages to our employees is paid out of your taxes, and we avoid an additional $XXXX of tax liability, which is also sposonred by the public"
    - Arrath 4y ago
      Since we're adding arbitrary tidbits of info to receipts... Certainly seems more informative than how much the charging cost.
- chrispine 4y ago
  Or require CVS to disclose on each receipt how much of the bill goes towards subsidizing the other 2 meters of receipt paper.
  - phkahler 4y ago
    The distance from the Earth to Sun is about 8 CVS receipts. It's not 2 meters, it's 8 light-minutes.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    I thought the CVS receipt thing was a joke the first time I saw it. It's not a joke and it's not an exaggeration. CVS receipts really are 2 metres long.
- 4y ago
wcoenen 4y ago
This will backfire anyway, because the printed amount will be very low. Let's say a customer charges for an hour at 5 kilowatt, so 5 kilowatt-hour. So the restaurant subsidizes less than a dollar worth of electricity. And not everyone uses an EV, so the bill would say something like "10 cents of your bill went towards subsidizing free charging for customers with an EV". Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate.
- corrral 4y ago
  > And not everyone uses an EV, so the bill would say something like "10 cents of your bill went towards subsidizing free charging for customers with an EV". Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate. On reflection, yeah, bring it on. I can see it now: "well shit, Edna, maybe those damn hippies have the right idea after all."
- lkxijlewlf 4y ago
  > Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate. Sorry, no. A particularly loud subset of the population has a "Don't tell me what to do. I tell YOU what to do" mentality. They will scream for a refund. You cannot reason with these people. At best, you can ignore them.
  - mitchdoogle 4y ago
    It's hard to imagine there would be very many people who care that much that also go to the types of places that have free electric chargers
  - krallja 4y ago
    “Here is your nickel, sir.”
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nimbius 4y ago
key statement at the top of the bill: "UNLESS GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL FOR MOTOR VEHICLES IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AT NO CHARGE." At best this is legislators upset about missing tax revenue from fossil fuels, but its more realistically just reactionary bureaucrats stomping their feet as gas and diesel prices soar north of $5 a gallon. I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  > I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks. I am no fan of trucks and a big fan of EVs, but those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on. NC revenue from gas taxes has been declining already which is why the infrastructure is so bad. You should be realistic that some kind of tax is coming for electric vehicles and you will not be happy when they tell you to report your EV's milage to the IRS every year to make up for the shortfall in gas taxes.
  - dangrossman 4y ago
    > those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on Hi, I live in North Carolina. I pay more road taxes on my EV than I ever paid in state gas taxes, so I guess it's the other way around: I'm keeping the roads functional for the SUVs to drive on. North Carolina, like 30+ other states, already charges an annual fee to all electric vehicle owners to make up for the gas tax. It's been collected since 2014. It's $130 per year, which brings my annual registration and property tax bill to about $500 per vehicle. Here's a map of the states with EV taxes to make up for gas taxes. It's from 2021, so already out of date, but most of the US map is colored in with fees ranging from $50 to $235. North Carolina proposed raising the tax from $130 to $275 in 2019, but the bill didn't pass. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Transportation/21_Nov/2021ElectricVehicleFees.pdf https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Tran...
    - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
mywittyname 4y ago
Put a sign up that tells EV customers that they have to pay $0.01 for charging with their bill, then never actually charge them. Better yet, start a political group in NC that accepts donations from restaurants for the amount paid for by EV drivers to charge. The majority of EV drivers would happily pay it, and the money might go to a good cause.
- cafard 4y ago
  Actually, people might be grateful for a way to get rid of pennies.
jacobr1 4y ago
This bill has a very-low likelihood of moving forward. It is a political statement. Its sponsor's might be dumb enough to actually want it, but I suspect they are just trying to score points and get media attention.
krallja 4y ago
There aren’t jackasses in your state?

KennyBlanken 4y ago

I will rhetorically ask "which is the party of small government?" (the same party that forces every package of non-hormone-boosted dairy to feature a disclaimer that hormone dairy is the same blah blah blah. More small government!)

ATsch 4y ago
People say this as a gotcha but it's really not, "small government" has always just been a euphemism for austerity and anti-welfare politics. It's like "family values" or "states rights", you're not really going to get anywhere useful by taking these euphemisms at face value.
- frankfrankfrank 4y ago
antisthenes 4y ago
If you're going to ask rhetorical questions, you better make sure your position is 100% bulletproof.
ThunderSizzle 4y ago
Small federal government. I'm not a huge fan over over zealous state governments, but I have significant more representation at the state level. I have less representation at the federal level than the 13 colonies had with Parliament with their "virtual representation".

profmonocle 4y ago

Why stop at EV charging? Require restaurants to disclose how much of my bill goes towards subsidizing free ketchup and mustard.

Arrath 4y ago
Why not require WalMart etc. to print on the bottom of receipts what proportions of their workforce are on public aid programs, barely scraping by on minimum wage?
- snotrockets 4y ago
  "An additional $XXXX of wages to our employees is paid out of your taxes, and we avoid an additional $XXXX of tax liability, which is also sposonred by the public"
  - Arrath 4y ago
    Since we're adding arbitrary tidbits of info to receipts... Certainly seems more informative than how much the charging cost.
chrispine 4y ago
Or require CVS to disclose on each receipt how much of the bill goes towards subsidizing the other 2 meters of receipt paper.
- phkahler 4y ago
  The distance from the Earth to Sun is about 8 CVS receipts. It's not 2 meters, it's 8 light-minutes.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  I thought the CVS receipt thing was a joke the first time I saw it. It's not a joke and it's not an exaggeration. CVS receipts really are 2 metres long.
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wcoenen 4y ago

This will backfire anyway, because the printed amount will be very low. Let's say a customer charges for an hour at 5 kilowatt, so 5 kilowatt-hour. So the restaurant subsidizes less than a dollar worth of electricity. And not everyone uses an EV, so the bill would say something like "10 cents of your bill went towards subsidizing free charging for customers with an EV". Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate.

corrral 4y ago
> And not everyone uses an EV, so the bill would say something like "10 cents of your bill went towards subsidizing free charging for customers with an EV". Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate. On reflection, yeah, bring it on. I can see it now: "well shit, Edna, maybe those damn hippies have the right idea after all."
lkxijlewlf 4y ago
> Everybody will compare this to gasoline prices and conclude EVs are cheap to operate. Sorry, no. A particularly loud subset of the population has a "Don't tell me what to do. I tell YOU what to do" mentality. They will scream for a refund. You cannot reason with these people. At best, you can ignore them.
- mitchdoogle 4y ago
  It's hard to imagine there would be very many people who care that much that also go to the types of places that have free electric chargers
- krallja 4y ago
  “Here is your nickel, sir.”

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nimbius 4y ago

key statement at the top of the bill: "UNLESS GASOLINE AND DIESEL FUEL FOR MOTOR VEHICLES IS PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC AT NO CHARGE." At best this is legislators upset about missing tax revenue from fossil fuels, but its more realistically just reactionary bureaucrats stomping their feet as gas and diesel prices soar north of $5 a gallon. I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
> I suspect more than a few are stuck eating crow in their oversized SUV's and pickup trucks. I am no fan of trucks and a big fan of EVs, but those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on. NC revenue from gas taxes has been declining already which is why the infrastructure is so bad. You should be realistic that some kind of tax is coming for electric vehicles and you will not be happy when they tell you to report your EV's milage to the IRS every year to make up for the shortfall in gas taxes.
- dangrossman 4y ago
  > those SUV's pay the taxes that keep the roads (somewhat) functional for the EVs to drive on Hi, I live in North Carolina. I pay more road taxes on my EV than I ever paid in state gas taxes, so I guess it's the other way around: I'm keeping the roads functional for the SUVs to drive on. North Carolina, like 30+ other states, already charges an annual fee to all electric vehicle owners to make up for the gas tax. It's been collected since 2014. It's $130 per year, which brings my annual registration and property tax bill to about $500 per vehicle. Here's a map of the states with EV taxes to make up for gas taxes. It's from 2021, so already out of date, but most of the US map is colored in with fees ranging from $50 to $235. North Carolina proposed raising the tax from $130 to $275 in 2019, but the bill didn't pass. https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Transportation/21_Nov/2021ElectricVehicleFees.pdf https://leg.mt.gov/content/Committees/Interim/2021-2022/Tran...
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago

mywittyname 4y ago

Put a sign up that tells EV customers that they have to pay $0.01 for charging with their bill, then never actually charge them. Better yet, start a political group in NC that accepts donations from restaurants for the amount paid for by EV drivers to charge. The majority of EV drivers would happily pay it, and the money might go to a good cause.

cafard 4y ago
Actually, people might be grateful for a way to get rid of pennies.

jacobr1 4y ago

This bill has a very-low likelihood of moving forward. It is a political statement. Its sponsor's might be dumb enough to actually want it, but I suspect they are just trying to score points and get media attention.

krallja 4y ago

There aren’t jackasses in your state?