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For someone from the other side of the planet (former USSR), this list feels very weird. I can't imagine paying for a campsite (nobody here does, you just go wh

For someone from the other side of the planet (former USSR), this list feels very weird. I can't imagine paying for a campsite (nobody here does, you just go wherever you want and take whatever place is available), or firewood (you can always find a dry tree trunk somewhere along the road, or there's a friend of a friend who will bring some from his own house). So although our minimum wages are absolutely atrocious by your standards (officially it's around $100 per month IIRC, but I haven't heard of anybody making below $200), half of this list doesn't apply, and the other half is cheaper by 5-20 times (a pack of cigs is ~$1 if I'm not mistaken, a liter of gasoline around 50 cents, etc). Considering all of this, we've been chugging along just fine… or not, actually. Braces yourselves, I guess.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> For someone from the other side of the planet I'm in North America and the list still feels very weird. Going camping at a premium campsite alone (e.g. not splitting the bill with friends) only to consume $50 of beer and $15 of cigarettes is kind of a hilarious definition of camping. FWIW, there are places where open camping is allowed in the Canada and the United States. The OP was using a specific car-camping site with reserved spots and amenities nearby.
- dukeofdoom 4y ago
  I couldn't disagree more. A lot of working class people smoke, and when they go camping they typically drink beer. Let's say its a divorced dad, taking his son camping and fishing on the one weekend he has custody. A fairly common scenario. He might not drink the full case, but he would probably bring one. Especially if his friends are campsite near by and they might drop by. There might be places where you can openly camp in Canada and United States. I lived in BC and those where possible to find. In Ontario not anywhere near cities were people live.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago

> For someone from the other side of the planet I'm in North America and the list still feels very weird. Going camping at a premium campsite alone (e.g. not splitting the bill with friends) only to consume $50 of beer and $15 of cigarettes is kind of a hilarious definition of camping. FWIW, there are places where open camping is allowed in the Canada and the United States. The OP was using a specific car-camping site with reserved spots and amenities nearby.

dukeofdoom 4y ago
I couldn't disagree more. A lot of working class people smoke, and when they go camping they typically drink beer. Let's say its a divorced dad, taking his son camping and fishing on the one weekend he has custody. A fairly common scenario. He might not drink the full case, but he would probably bring one. Especially if his friends are campsite near by and they might drop by. There might be places where you can openly camp in Canada and United States. I lived in BC and those where possible to find. In Ontario not anywhere near cities were people live.