Thanks to all for the informative replies. The point I attempted to make is that while you can change the mind, you can't change it completely. Buddhists stil

Thanks to all for the informative replies. The point I attempted to make is that while you can change the mind, you can't change it completely. Buddhists still feel pain, albeit less pain, and tempers can still flare. I suspect Steve would have been even more intolerable without Zen, and his comments reflect the limits he encountered attempting to change himself.