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>then you must also accept that this model is possibly conscious ina similar way no you must not. These models are glorified key-value stores that hand you an

>then you must also accept that this model is possibly conscious ina similar way no you must not. These models are glorified key-value stores that hand you an output when you hand them an input, with no internal mechanisms whatsoever to relate the contents to the world, as Gary Marcus points out. They're about as conscious as a SQL database, except that the query language for these models is English.

majkinetor 4y ago
How you do know you are not even more glorified key-value store? Afterall, you also went to training (called school) and respond with sentences that are expected by others almost all of the time. Even this response of yours is heard by hundreeds of thousands of other people before you said it here, why do you claim its your thought and not just a lookup ?
- mdp2021 4y ago
  Because reflection, vetting and processing of ideas are conscious: you witness them - one can tell when it is a lookup vs "having really thought about it".
  - majkinetor 4y ago
    Some obviously can't tell or we wouldn't have this discussion ... Reflection, vetting and processing can all be programmed. Humans are programmed from the birth.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  because you can shove me in an MRI and see that my brain does stuff even when I'm not answering API requests. People need to stop confusing machines doing useful work with consciousness. You're conscious not because you answer questions or because of the content or origin of your answer, you are conscious because there is an 'I', a self, that experiences that process. Lambda literally is a web server that fetches data from a funny database called a neural net, when it isn't doing that, it's not doing anything. It has as much neurological activity as a rock. Consciousness or sentience is not a measure of intellect or of capacity to answer questions, it's a measure of perception and awareness. If it wasn't, Eliza the handprogrammed if/then chatbot from the 60s would be more conscious than a cat, which I doubt is the case.
  - chillacy 4y ago
    Speak for yourself, I have no proof that anyone else experiences an “I”, you may as well be a philosophical zombie for all I know ;)
  - majkinetor 4y ago
    I can shove Lambda server in an "MRI" and see that it does stuff evern when it is not answering your questions. > People need to stop confusing machines doing useful work with consciousness. We can't confuse anything with cosciousness since we don't know what it is. I am not claiming lamda is consc. but that your arguments are invalid. > You are conscious because there is an 'I', a self, that experiences that process. I maybe can tell about my I, but not about yours, there is a whole philosphy movement behind it. > It has as much neurological activity as a rock Slime mold doesn't have neurological activity. Is it sentient? It sure knows how to find food and solve problems that are considered very hard for humans. > when it isn't doing that, it's not doing anything You also go to sleep every day... No matter what I believe any kind of argument I heard so far is just wishfull thinking. We simply don't know if anything is sentient or what does it even mean to be sentient.
    - youessayyyaway 4y ago

majkinetor 4y ago

How you do know you are not even more glorified key-value store? Afterall, you also went to training (called school) and respond with sentences that are expected by others almost all of the time. Even this response of yours is heard by hundreeds of thousands of other people before you said it here, why do you claim its your thought and not just a lookup ?

mdp2021 4y ago
Because reflection, vetting and processing of ideas are conscious: you witness them - one can tell when it is a lookup vs "having really thought about it".
- majkinetor 4y ago
  Some obviously can't tell or we wouldn't have this discussion ... Reflection, vetting and processing can all be programmed. Humans are programmed from the birth.
Barrin92 4y ago
because you can shove me in an MRI and see that my brain does stuff even when I'm not answering API requests. People need to stop confusing machines doing useful work with consciousness. You're conscious not because you answer questions or because of the content or origin of your answer, you are conscious because there is an 'I', a self, that experiences that process. Lambda literally is a web server that fetches data from a funny database called a neural net, when it isn't doing that, it's not doing anything. It has as much neurological activity as a rock. Consciousness or sentience is not a measure of intellect or of capacity to answer questions, it's a measure of perception and awareness. If it wasn't, Eliza the handprogrammed if/then chatbot from the 60s would be more conscious than a cat, which I doubt is the case.
- chillacy 4y ago
  Speak for yourself, I have no proof that anyone else experiences an “I”, you may as well be a philosophical zombie for all I know ;)
- majkinetor 4y ago
  I can shove Lambda server in an "MRI" and see that it does stuff evern when it is not answering your questions. > People need to stop confusing machines doing useful work with consciousness. We can't confuse anything with cosciousness since we don't know what it is. I am not claiming lamda is consc. but that your arguments are invalid. > You are conscious because there is an 'I', a self, that experiences that process. I maybe can tell about my I, but not about yours, there is a whole philosphy movement behind it. > It has as much neurological activity as a rock Slime mold doesn't have neurological activity. Is it sentient? It sure knows how to find food and solve problems that are considered very hard for humans. > when it isn't doing that, it's not doing anything You also go to sleep every day... No matter what I believe any kind of argument I heard so far is just wishfull thinking. We simply don't know if anything is sentient or what does it even mean to be sentient.
  - youessayyyaway 4y ago