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Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://w

Safari?[0] It's especially a problem when Apple don't allow other browser engines on its devices, although governments are looking into that.[1] [0] https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming_the_new_ie/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/22/safari_risks_becoming... [1] https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agency-will-investigate-apple-google-over-gaming-and-mobile-browsers https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/uk-antitrust-agen...

ash_gti 4y ago
I dunno, then there would only be 2 actively maintained browser engines, Chrome and Firefox. Webkit is doing pretty good on https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 so I'm not sure why Safari should be retired.
- presentation 4y ago
  Most of my Safari compat issues are on older iOS devices that don't get Safari upgrades, for better or worse those devices do last a long time and a lot of people resist upgrading Mac software.
- exyi 4y ago
  At least it definitely shouldn't be the only available browser. So we could say that the Safari monopoly should be gone
- 0x0 4y ago
  The problem is a mountain of older ipads and iphones and ipods that aren't eligible for the latest major ios upgrades, and thus get stuck with an outdated safari/wkwebview/webkit implementation. This is only going to get worse as the EOL'd ipads these days are quite powerful and usable otherwise. And due to Apple policies banning bring-your-own-html-engine, firefox or chrome can't save them either :(
innocenat 4y ago
My only wish is that Apple make it easy to run Safari, both latest version and older version, on non-Apple device. I have had a design that broke only on Safari, and I would be at my wit end on how to fix it if I didn't have a Mac on hand. Even Microsoft still provide VM with IE8 [0] for testing purpose. 0: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v...
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  > I have had a design that broke only on Safari, and I would be at my wit end on how to fix it if I didn't have a Mac on hand. I use BrowserStack for it; for just one issue a trail account is enough, if you use it for an open source project you can request free access, and for a business it's relatively cheap. I've got a pro account for a few of my open source projects; I don't often use it, but have on occasion (for things like you describe, and I don't have a Mac on hand).
- recursive 4y ago
  I have a macbook on my desk. The only reason it's here is to run Safari a couple of times a year when something crazy happens. Some time in the last couple of years, it needed an OS update that took a couple of resident Apple experts to get through.
jmull 4y ago
Moving to a monobrowser internet... What could go wrong? Edit: oh, I should add: The main data from your first source is out-of-date... Here's the dashboard today: https://wpt.fyi/compat2021?feature=summary&stable https://wpt.fyi/compat2021?feature=summary&stable Your second source is more of an argument to keep Safari around. If the Chrome/Safari duopoly on mobile is a problem, getting rid of Safari makes it worse.

ash_gti 4y ago

I dunno, then there would only be 2 actively maintained browser engines, Chrome and Firefox. Webkit is doing pretty good on https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022 so I'm not sure why Safari should be retired.

presentation 4y ago
Most of my Safari compat issues are on older iOS devices that don't get Safari upgrades, for better or worse those devices do last a long time and a lot of people resist upgrading Mac software.
exyi 4y ago
At least it definitely shouldn't be the only available browser. So we could say that the Safari monopoly should be gone
0x0 4y ago
The problem is a mountain of older ipads and iphones and ipods that aren't eligible for the latest major ios upgrades, and thus get stuck with an outdated safari/wkwebview/webkit implementation. This is only going to get worse as the EOL'd ipads these days are quite powerful and usable otherwise. And due to Apple policies banning bring-your-own-html-engine, firefox or chrome can't save them either :(

innocenat 4y ago

My only wish is that Apple make it easy to run Safari, both latest version and older version, on non-Apple device. I have had a design that broke only on Safari, and I would be at my wit end on how to fix it if I didn't have a Mac on hand. Even Microsoft still provide VM with IE8 [0] for testing purpose. 0: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v...

Beltalowda 4y ago
> I have had a design that broke only on Safari, and I would be at my wit end on how to fix it if I didn't have a Mac on hand. I use BrowserStack for it; for just one issue a trail account is enough, if you use it for an open source project you can request free access, and for a business it's relatively cheap. I've got a pro account for a few of my open source projects; I don't often use it, but have on occasion (for things like you describe, and I don't have a Mac on hand).
recursive 4y ago
I have a macbook on my desk. The only reason it's here is to run Safari a couple of times a year when something crazy happens. Some time in the last couple of years, it needed an OS update that took a couple of resident Apple experts to get through.

jmull 4y ago

Moving to a monobrowser internet... What could go wrong? Edit: oh, I should add: The main data from your first source is out-of-date... Here's the dashboard today: https://wpt.fyi/compat2021?feature=summary&stable https://wpt.fyi/compat2021?feature=summary&stable Your second source is more of an argument to keep Safari around. If the Chrome/Safari duopoly on mobile is a problem, getting rid of Safari makes it worse.