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Are we afraid won't actually do their job when it actually involves putting themselves in danger? I think the cat is out of the bag on that one. Quite famously
by jmyeet 4y ago
Are we afraid won't actually do their job when it actually involves putting themselves in danger? I think the cat is out of the bag on that one.
Quite famously, the police are much better at shooting children [1] than they are at shooting to protect children.
The Uvalde PD consumes 40% of the town budget ($4m of $10m exclusive of a $500k grant they got from the state of Texas months earlier). 19 police officers were on scene and sat twiddling their thumbs for an hour despite repeated 911 calls from students inside. Oh actually not quite nothing: they threatened to violate the probation of a mother on scene [2].
There's an obvious upside to this particular shooter dying but it has one unfortunate side effect: Texas allows information to be suppressed when the suspect is deceased [3]. Had he lived it would've been inevitable this bodycam footage and other evidence would've come out. Now? We'll see.
I've now lost count of the number of times to story has changed from the Uvalde PD. But nothing here will change.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tamir_Rice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tamir_Rice
[2]: https://sports.yahoo.com/uvalde-mom-ran-school-save-025748850.html https://sports.yahoo.com/uvalde-mom-ran-school-save-02574885...
[3]: https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/22/texas-law-allows-police-keep-details-about-deceased-suspects-confident/ https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/22/texas-law-allows-pol...
- maybelsyrup 4y ago> But nothing here will change. It's hard but it's important to keep faith, and to keep working to change people's minds about police. Even your comment can make a difference: a place like HN is full of intelligent people who generally come here fairly open minded. Maybe your comment - the top one right now - can open someone's eyes to what cops really are. Stay in the fight!
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- ncmncm 4y agoWhat would be a reasonable outcome? Firing all of the current PD staff seems like a great first step. Trick is, do you hire more in their place, and how do you pick them?
- jansen555 4y ago
- QuadmasterXLII 4y agoNo one seems willing to say it out loud, but the reason we can't fire all the police at once is that they will retaliate by looting and killing civilians. This was one of the mistakes the US made after invading iraq, and also a problem the roman empire kept running into in its later years.
- krolden 4y agoSo many parallels with the fall of the roman empire the USA has.
- ncmncm 4y agoAlternative: make all the cops give up all their guns. If they won't use them to protect the public, then their only use is to oppress the public.
- jmyeet 4y agoThe threat of violence against the populace they're meant to protect isn't a reason not to disband that police department. It is however a reason to call in the FBI and, if necessary, deploy the Army so you can make anyone so inclined to rot in a prison cell.
- krapp 4y agoIsn't this supposed to be where all those good men with guns we keep paying a blood-price for step in and shoot the bad men with guns?
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- 908B64B197 4y agoSomething will change for sure: you'll have to surrender your legal guns. "Just give away your guns. You don't need them for protection, you and your kids will be safe with the police" "Me? Oh it's different. See I need theses armed bodyguards with me and my kids. For security reasons you know!"
- zackees 4y agoWe live in a surveillance society now. This individual that attacked the school wasn’t operating in stealth: he let his murderious intentions be known on social media. The choice now is whether to believe that law enforcement at the local and federal level simply turned a blind eye, or they knew and helped guide this individual to action in order to use the public reaction to advance the gun control agenda. And while some will recoil at the thought of organized terror attacks in the US, we have to acknowledge that terror attacks by the state are not unprecedented. The communists, the nazis, the current russian empire all utilized terror attacks to advance their state policy. For example, right before the Crimea referendum to join Russia, terror attacks against the civilian population “were discovered” by FSB forces that swung their support to joining Russia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26878193.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26878193.amp
- MandieD 4y agoState-level elected officials in Texas ain’t exactly known for their interest in increasing gun control, and they’re at least enabling the Uvalde police department in this cover-up. Source: grew up in Texas, still have all my well-armed family there.
- madengr 4y ago
- jiocrag 4y agoSir, this is a Wendy’s. Seriously though — you’re arguing this is a conspiracy to increase gun control, in which a local Texas PD is complicit? The United States is false flagging us into increased gun control by sanctioning the murder of little kids? That’s pretty bonkers.
- zackees 4y agoWhy is it bonkers? It's routinely used in other countries as well, like how Putin came to power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings The only difference is that I'm asserting that this is happening in America too, which for some reason you think is bonkers. Though most likely you'd readily accept it happening everywhere else that's not America or it's strategic partner countries.
- wumpus 4y ago> Texas allows information to be suppressed when the suspect is deceased Which is backwards. Dead people don't have any privacy rights.