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>It is a sad and exploitative industry. What an insulting, belittling comment. I don't know why you think veterinarians are charities, and don't know why feel

>It is a sad and exploitative industry. What an insulting, belittling comment. I don't know why you think veterinarians are charities, and don't know why feel entitled to pay people less than they're worth. Veterinarians hold doctorates. Four years of undergrad, four years of vet school. Many emergency vets are board certified, meaning they've done an additional 3+ years in internships and residencies. In running a practice, ideally you also want a 3-1 ratio of techs to doctors to monitor patients. Many states require at least an AA degree to become licensed. These days, it's common to find people who have undergrad degrees who go into vet nursing as a career. Therefore, clinics are paying for 3 others with degrees. Add in costs like support staff, and the fact that 80% of medicine and equipment are repurposed from human use. Distributors don't give a shit that it's for animals and will charge a vet clinic the same as a human hospital. Don't blame the vet for charging $5000 for a surgery. Blame owners who can't afford to raise a pet but have one anyway.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
So many HNers are libertarian right up until it concerns something they need. Then it's "why do I have to pay for that!?"
- snapetom 4y ago
  I lost my shit at a redditor for complaining about a $500 overnight bill. $500 for a doctor and three nurses to watch over your animal like a hawk for eight hours, plus IV and medicine, is a damn bargain. I thought HN crowd would be smarter than that.
  - djcannabiz 4y ago
    In which country was this in do you know? I don't know if a price like that is even possible in the states lol
    - snapetom 4y ago
      This was pre-COVID in suburban midwest, if I recall. On the low-end of the estimate, and nothing happened that required intervention, but certainly possible in the market location. Major city? Good luck.
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
>Don't blame the vet for charging $5000 for a surgery. Blame owners who can't afford to raise a pet but have one anyway. What an utterly callous statement. We're mostly well paid professionals here on HN, but to suggest that the average american should be able to come up with $500, much less 5k, on a moments notice is laughably out of touch with most people's financial situation.
- kaashif 4y ago
  There is an even more callous meaning that you didn't pick up on for some reason - they're not suggesting the owners should come up with $5000, they're saying the owners should kill or otherwise get rid of their pets once they can't afford them. I think people are missing that the point here is that the prices aren't being set in a competitive market, so $5000 may just be a monopoly price. Maybe pet owners should be forced to pay the cost of treatment, but whether that's $5000 or not is what the FTC is concerned with.
  - snapetom 4y ago
    Calling that a monopoly price shows ignorance on what a monopoly is. Even large metropolitan areas have just a handful of emergency vet hospitals. Emergency vet hospitals don't have an army of vets on standby to handle cases. 2-3 is common and they might be just interns/residents supervised by a more experience vet. Scarcity and lack of supply have a much greater effect than collusion. Pet owners should know this before getting a pet, or properly plan.
- snapetom 4y ago
  Being able to come up with $500 or $5k at a moment's notice is part of pet ownership. If your financial situation prevents coming up with it, don't get a pet. You're just shifting irresponsibility in the guise of anti-corporate crusading.
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    I expect this line of reasoning from corporate mouthpieces. To hear it from the mouth of a provider speaks to to your values. I think the following quote applies here: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

KennyBlanken 4y ago

So many HNers are libertarian right up until it concerns something they need. Then it's "why do I have to pay for that!?"

snapetom 4y ago
I lost my shit at a redditor for complaining about a $500 overnight bill. $500 for a doctor and three nurses to watch over your animal like a hawk for eight hours, plus IV and medicine, is a damn bargain. I thought HN crowd would be smarter than that.
- djcannabiz 4y ago
  In which country was this in do you know? I don't know if a price like that is even possible in the states lol
  - snapetom 4y ago
    This was pre-COVID in suburban midwest, if I recall. On the low-end of the estimate, and nothing happened that required intervention, but certainly possible in the market location. Major city? Good luck.

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

>Don't blame the vet for charging $5000 for a surgery. Blame owners who can't afford to raise a pet but have one anyway. What an utterly callous statement. We're mostly well paid professionals here on HN, but to suggest that the average american should be able to come up with $500, much less 5k, on a moments notice is laughably out of touch with most people's financial situation.

kaashif 4y ago
There is an even more callous meaning that you didn't pick up on for some reason - they're not suggesting the owners should come up with $5000, they're saying the owners should kill or otherwise get rid of their pets once they can't afford them. I think people are missing that the point here is that the prices aren't being set in a competitive market, so $5000 may just be a monopoly price. Maybe pet owners should be forced to pay the cost of treatment, but whether that's $5000 or not is what the FTC is concerned with.
- snapetom 4y ago
  Calling that a monopoly price shows ignorance on what a monopoly is. Even large metropolitan areas have just a handful of emergency vet hospitals. Emergency vet hospitals don't have an army of vets on standby to handle cases. 2-3 is common and they might be just interns/residents supervised by a more experience vet. Scarcity and lack of supply have a much greater effect than collusion. Pet owners should know this before getting a pet, or properly plan.
snapetom 4y ago
Being able to come up with $500 or $5k at a moment's notice is part of pet ownership. If your financial situation prevents coming up with it, don't get a pet. You're just shifting irresponsibility in the guise of anti-corporate crusading.
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  I expect this line of reasoning from corporate mouthpieces. To hear it from the mouth of a provider speaks to to your values. I think the following quote applies here: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”