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Accountability is the issue. If they can tax you by force, they're not going to put themselves in harms way. They already got paid. (Generalization of course,

Accountability is the issue. If they can tax you by force, they're not going to put themselves in harms way. They already got paid. (Generalization of course, but true in many life-and-death situations.)

kube-system 4y ago
Most people won't willingly die at work for any amount of money or accountability, and I don't blame them. These kinds of situations are outrageous because people want to believe in superheros, but they don't exist.
- falcolas 4y ago
  When a group sees themselves superheroes, are treated like superheroes, put superhero slogans on their vehicles, are given weapons and armor and hazard pay based on their imminent superhero behavior, only to run and cower at the first sign of danger... Perhaps it's not the rest of us who are the problem.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    Perhaps not the superhero we want, but the superhero we deserve?
- nescioquid 4y ago
  An antiquated notion of a profession is some "job" that has a primary responsibility to the public: nurse, doctor, lawyer, police officer, firefighter, etc. You should not go into a profession that entails personal risk if that prevents you from meeting your obligations to the public. I surely wouldn't call actually following the department's policy and training in response this event superhuman in any way, though pretending it is serves to absolve those who failed in their duty.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    There's a large difference between taking on expected amounts of risk, and engaging an active shooter. Most of the risk that police officers are expected to take on are struggling with an arrest suspect, being in the vicinity of violent people, standing along a busy roadside, or the potential of being in car accidents. Most of their obligation to the public is to show up after a crime has happened, writing a report, and investigating the high priority crimes. About 3/4 of police in the US never use their gun over their entire career.
- johndevor 4y ago
  To protect and serve* If we could choose our police like our cell service, I'd pay for the police force that required military service or punished officers who did not act when they should
  - kube-system 4y ago
    "protect and serve" is a motto that originated from a contest in a magazine. It's not a quote from a legal text. We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. If you can only afford a house in a neighborhood with a Cricket Wireless tax base, then you get Cricket Wireless quality police.
    - johndevor 4y ago
      > We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. And you're free to start a new wireless company. But try starting a new police force and you'll get arrested. Not the same.
      - kube-system 4y ago
        It is absolutely possible to create a new police force in the US, and not really that uncommon. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/creating-your-own-police-department https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/creating-your-ow... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States In fact, schools are a good example of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_police#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_police#United_States Creating a new police force is probably not any harder than making an MVNO and probably much easier than acquiring spectrum to create a real wireless carrier.

kube-system 4y ago

Most people won't willingly die at work for any amount of money or accountability, and I don't blame them. These kinds of situations are outrageous because people want to believe in superheros, but they don't exist.

falcolas 4y ago
When a group sees themselves superheroes, are treated like superheroes, put superhero slogans on their vehicles, are given weapons and armor and hazard pay based on their imminent superhero behavior, only to run and cower at the first sign of danger... Perhaps it's not the rest of us who are the problem.
- dylan604 4y ago
  Perhaps not the superhero we want, but the superhero we deserve?
nescioquid 4y ago
An antiquated notion of a profession is some "job" that has a primary responsibility to the public: nurse, doctor, lawyer, police officer, firefighter, etc. You should not go into a profession that entails personal risk if that prevents you from meeting your obligations to the public. I surely wouldn't call actually following the department's policy and training in response this event superhuman in any way, though pretending it is serves to absolve those who failed in their duty.
- kube-system 4y ago
  There's a large difference between taking on expected amounts of risk, and engaging an active shooter. Most of the risk that police officers are expected to take on are struggling with an arrest suspect, being in the vicinity of violent people, standing along a busy roadside, or the potential of being in car accidents. Most of their obligation to the public is to show up after a crime has happened, writing a report, and investigating the high priority crimes. About 3/4 of police in the US never use their gun over their entire career.
johndevor 4y ago
To protect and serve* If we could choose our police like our cell service, I'd pay for the police force that required military service or punished officers who did not act when they should
- kube-system 4y ago
  "protect and serve" is a motto that originated from a contest in a magazine. It's not a quote from a legal text. We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. If you can only afford a house in a neighborhood with a Cricket Wireless tax base, then you get Cricket Wireless quality police.
  - johndevor 4y ago
    > We vote by wallet for our cell service and we vote by ballot for our police budgets. And you're free to start a new wireless company. But try starting a new police force and you'll get arrested. Not the same.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      It is absolutely possible to create a new police force in the US, and not really that uncommon. https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/creating-your-own-police-department https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/creating-your-ow... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_police#United_States In fact, schools are a good example of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_police#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_police#United_States Creating a new police force is probably not any harder than making an MVNO and probably much easier than acquiring spectrum to create a real wireless carrier.