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> and I think that was done during this administration. It's no secret they are pushing for more green energy, and doing so by decreasing existing gas and oil p

by piva00 4y ago

> and I think that was done during this administration. It's no secret they are pushing for more green energy, and doing so by decreasing existing gas and oil production. I think this is an easy statement to substantiate, and I believe it'd set a foundation as it derails to a moot point the moment a conclusion is derived from your own speculation.

warning26 4y ago
It's impressive how far people are willing to go to avoid looking up information in order to come to their own preordained conclusions.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  To be fair to the original commenter, he probably didn't make this up and was fed it by a source he believes is reputable. You spend too much time in an echo chamber it's easy to be fed ideas that seem reasonably on the onset but are actually propaganda. I think media literacy is incredibly hard; and if he didn't throw in "by this administration", I wouldn't have been as skeptical of his claim either (not because I'm a Biden loyalist, but because any time anyone tries to pin a market effect on the president I'm immediately skeptical).
  - proc0 4y ago
    I try to read all kinds of sources, and I was just interpreting the article at a high level. We're clearly trying to switch over to renewable sources, except also not investing in nuclear energy, so I think we're seeing some of the consequences of pushing for something that cannot meet demand. I'll keep looking into this, however I'm sure Biden did change several energy policies and is pushing for green energy (and it's the ethical decision in the long term, but has short term consequences).
    - nemothekid 4y ago
      >however I'm sure Biden did change several energy policies and is pushing for green energy (and it's the ethical decision in the long term, but has short term consequences). For what it's worth Biden has done little of the sort. I think it's important to differentiate the media circus around AOC's wishful policies, like the green new deal, and what Biden has actually implemented. 1. The number of oil drilling/fracking permits has actually increased under Biden (despite him campaigning on banning them)[1] 2. The only "green" EO biden has passed thus far EO 14057, only mandates reaching carbon neutrality by 2035 and largely does so by buying electric vehicles.[2] 3. The rest of his energy related EOs are about sanctioning russia. Meanwhile congress has pretty much been toothless when it has come to green energy initiatives. While both major media parties make a lot of noise to make it seem like the democrats are doing something about energy, to the dismay of those of us who actually care, nothing has actually materially passed. I wish I could blame Biden for rising energy prices due to green technology; at least we would be getting something in return for $5 gas. To my earlier point, unless you can show me what those policies are, and when they passed in congress, you are just speculating. It's one thing to say the Biden is focused on green energy. To say that's the cause of our current energy woes you have to be able to point to specific EOs are laws passed that would support such a claim. AFAICT, the democrats have pretty much squandered their majority in congress with little to show for it. [1] https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-data-biden-slays-trumps-first-year-drilling-permitting-by-34-2022-01-21/ https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-da... [2] https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/13/2021-27114/catalyzing-clean-energy-industries-and-jobs-through-federal-sustainability https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/13/2021-27...
      - proc0 4y ago
        > For what it's worth Biden has done little of the sort. I think it's important to differentiate the media circus around AOC's wishful policies, like the green new deal, and what Biden has actually implemented. I don't know about that. It's hard to tell how much influence the hard left has on Biden, but it's not negligible. There is this letter by the senators explaining some of the problems: https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cruz-senators-demand-commerce-secretary-stop-permitting-delays-on-existing-oil-and-gas-leases-to-boost-production https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cruz-sen... > NMFS’s permitting delays represent one example of the Administration’s de facto ban on new drilling – impeding domestic oil and gas investment, exploration, and production. > The letter notes that the delays are principally due to “three administration-made and admitted mistakes” caused by mathematic errors in calculating the number of endangered species in the Gulf of Mexico in a 2021... And then Biden has made it clear this administration is pursuing ambitious goals that have to do with transitioning away from fossil fuels. https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1528712761554903040 https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1528712761554903040 I think at least there is incentive to decrease fossil fuels and move more quickly to renewable, and it worries me because nuclear is not a popular option.

by piva00 4y ago

warning26 4y ago

It's impressive how far people are willing to go to avoid looking up information in order to come to their own preordained conclusions.

nemothekid 4y ago
To be fair to the original commenter, he probably didn't make this up and was fed it by a source he believes is reputable. You spend too much time in an echo chamber it's easy to be fed ideas that seem reasonably on the onset but are actually propaganda. I think media literacy is incredibly hard; and if he didn't throw in "by this administration", I wouldn't have been as skeptical of his claim either (not because I'm a Biden loyalist, but because any time anyone tries to pin a market effect on the president I'm immediately skeptical).
- proc0 4y ago
  I try to read all kinds of sources, and I was just interpreting the article at a high level. We're clearly trying to switch over to renewable sources, except also not investing in nuclear energy, so I think we're seeing some of the consequences of pushing for something that cannot meet demand. I'll keep looking into this, however I'm sure Biden did change several energy policies and is pushing for green energy (and it's the ethical decision in the long term, but has short term consequences).
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >however I'm sure Biden did change several energy policies and is pushing for green energy (and it's the ethical decision in the long term, but has short term consequences). For what it's worth Biden has done little of the sort. I think it's important to differentiate the media circus around AOC's wishful policies, like the green new deal, and what Biden has actually implemented. 1. The number of oil drilling/fracking permits has actually increased under Biden (despite him campaigning on banning them)[1] 2. The only "green" EO biden has passed thus far EO 14057, only mandates reaching carbon neutrality by 2035 and largely does so by buying electric vehicles.[2] 3. The rest of his energy related EOs are about sanctioning russia. Meanwhile congress has pretty much been toothless when it has come to green energy initiatives. While both major media parties make a lot of noise to make it seem like the democrats are doing something about energy, to the dismay of those of us who actually care, nothing has actually materially passed. I wish I could blame Biden for rising energy prices due to green technology; at least we would be getting something in return for $5 gas. To my earlier point, unless you can show me what those policies are, and when they passed in congress, you are just speculating. It's one thing to say the Biden is focused on green energy. To say that's the cause of our current energy woes you have to be able to point to specific EOs are laws passed that would support such a claim. AFAICT, the democrats have pretty much squandered their majority in congress with little to show for it. [1] https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-data-biden-slays-trumps-first-year-drilling-permitting-by-34-2022-01-21/ https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/news/press-releases/new-da... [2] https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/13/2021-27114/catalyzing-clean-energy-industries-and-jobs-through-federal-sustainability https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/12/13/2021-27...
    - proc0 4y ago
      > For what it's worth Biden has done little of the sort. I think it's important to differentiate the media circus around AOC's wishful policies, like the green new deal, and what Biden has actually implemented. I don't know about that. It's hard to tell how much influence the hard left has on Biden, but it's not negligible. There is this letter by the senators explaining some of the problems: https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cruz-senators-demand-commerce-secretary-stop-permitting-delays-on-existing-oil-and-gas-leases-to-boost-production https://www.cruz.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/cruz-sen... > NMFS’s permitting delays represent one example of the Administration’s de facto ban on new drilling – impeding domestic oil and gas investment, exploration, and production. > The letter notes that the delays are principally due to “three administration-made and admitted mistakes” caused by mathematic errors in calculating the number of endangered species in the Gulf of Mexico in a 2021... And then Biden has made it clear this administration is pursuing ambitious goals that have to do with transitioning away from fossil fuels. https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1528712761554903040 https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1528712761554903040 I think at least there is incentive to decrease fossil fuels and move more quickly to renewable, and it worries me because nuclear is not a popular option.