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I'll just reply that "bureaucracy is not part of capitalism" and "private ownership with one exclusive owner is most effective form of ownership" are views base

by ivm 4y ago

I'll just reply that "bureaucracy is not part of capitalism" and "private ownership with one exclusive owner is most effective form of ownership" are views based in your ideological framework, they are not objective truths and not shared by many, me included.

simne 4y ago
These statements are from reality, nothing about ideology. Bureaucracy is only near guaranteed by science form of organization of more than 50 persons. And exclusive owner is also most effective form, from known to science.
- ivm 4y ago
  Yes they do, but if you aren't aware of the ideology you're using as a basis of your thinking about the world, I'd recommend researching the subject. Until that, a constructive dialogue would not be possible.
  - simne 4y ago
    Are you aware? You really have something new to tell to person, who lived in the Soviet Union, where capitalism considered mortal sin?
    - ivm 4y ago
      You are not the only one here, I was born in the USSR too, so I also went through a long phase of having (neo)liberal attitudes and worshipping the capitalist mode of production. And yes, I am aware nowadays: a few years ago I started re-examining my preexisting views, realized that I acquired most of them without a conscious choice, and then got past the "it's either capitalism or a totalitarian central-planned state" false dichotomy promoted by modern propaganda. Can only recommend doing the same because it's quite liberating after being traumatized by the Soviet experience. The Anarchist FAQ can be a good starting point because it has lots of sections deconstructing the capitalist mythology: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-ed...
      - simne 4y ago
        Neoliberal attitudes are definitely leftish, so anticapitalist. What you really want to say me about mythology? :)))))
        ivm 4y ago
        I don't understand what you are trying to say. If you are interested in transcending your current understanding of politics, I shared the resource to start this journey. Cheers!

by ivm 4y ago

simne 4y ago

These statements are from reality, nothing about ideology. Bureaucracy is only near guaranteed by science form of organization of more than 50 persons. And exclusive owner is also most effective form, from known to science.

ivm 4y ago
Yes they do, but if you aren't aware of the ideology you're using as a basis of your thinking about the world, I'd recommend researching the subject. Until that, a constructive dialogue would not be possible.
- simne 4y ago
  Are you aware? You really have something new to tell to person, who lived in the Soviet Union, where capitalism considered mortal sin?
  - ivm 4y ago
    You are not the only one here, I was born in the USSR too, so I also went through a long phase of having (neo)liberal attitudes and worshipping the capitalist mode of production. And yes, I am aware nowadays: a few years ago I started re-examining my preexisting views, realized that I acquired most of them without a conscious choice, and then got past the "it's either capitalism or a totalitarian central-planned state" false dichotomy promoted by modern propaganda. Can only recommend doing the same because it's quite liberating after being traumatized by the Soviet experience. The Anarchist FAQ can be a good starting point because it has lots of sections deconstructing the capitalist mythology: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq-full https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-ed...
    - simne 4y ago
      Neoliberal attitudes are definitely leftish, so anticapitalist. What you really want to say me about mythology? :)))))
      - ivm 4y ago
        I don't understand what you are trying to say. If you are interested in transcending your current understanding of politics, I shared the resource to start this journey. Cheers!