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> grok 2-3 languages I don't think most people simply "accidentally grok" or use Smalltalk, Lisp or Raku; therefore I consider most people don't have what take

> grok 2-3 languages I don't think most people simply "accidentally grok" or use Smalltalk, Lisp or Raku; therefore I consider most people don't have what takes to grok Ruby either.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Oh please, Ruby is not some arcane language. It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# once you get used to your dev environment. Those languages alone cover way over half all the developers. People here are acting Ruby is anywhere on the same level of difficulty for a regular high-level OOP developer as C++ or Haskell.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  > It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. The only other mainstream language with this capacity is Erlang, and Erlang is not exactly what I would call mainstream language.
  - corrral 4y ago
    > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. Javascript is pretty popular.
    - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure Java != Javascript?
      - corrral 4y ago
        Sure, but it's a very popular language that puts the ability to modify behavior at run-time front and center. It's not like Ruby is special in that regard.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    And you believe that Ruby both does not make it easy to learn this concept and makes aggressive use of this concept? I believe you're severally overestimating the impact and importance of one quirk when many developers are picking up wildly differing languages and decently successful at it all the time.
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python How so - Python is dynamic. Django does quote some magic (e.g defining methods on the fly etc).
    - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
      Python is dynamic but doesn't provide an easy way for you to change the types the language provides, while that is more or less expected in Ruby.
      - weatherlite 4y ago
        Looks pretty straightforward to me https://gist.github.com/fwenzel/622519 https://gist.github.com/fwenzel/622519
        ElectricalUnion 4y ago
        That is not a language provided primitive?

> grok 2-3 languages I don't think most people simply "accidentally grok" or use Smalltalk, Lisp or Raku; therefore I consider most people don't have what takes to grok Ruby either.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

Oh please, Ruby is not some arcane language. It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# once you get used to your dev environment. Those languages alone cover way over half all the developers. People here are acting Ruby is anywhere on the same level of difficulty for a regular high-level OOP developer as C++ or Haskell.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. The only other mainstream language with this capacity is Erlang, and Erlang is not exactly what I would call mainstream language.
- corrral 4y ago
  > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. Javascript is pretty popular.
  - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure Java != Javascript?
    - corrral 4y ago
      Sure, but it's a very popular language that puts the ability to modify behavior at run-time front and center. It's not like Ruby is special in that regard.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  And you believe that Ruby both does not make it easy to learn this concept and makes aggressive use of this concept? I believe you're severally overestimating the impact and importance of one quirk when many developers are picking up wildly differing languages and decently successful at it all the time.
- weatherlite 4y ago
  > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python How so - Python is dynamic. Django does quote some magic (e.g defining methods on the fly etc).
  - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
    Python is dynamic but doesn't provide an easy way for you to change the types the language provides, while that is more or less expected in Ruby.
    - weatherlite 4y ago
      Looks pretty straightforward to me https://gist.github.com/fwenzel/622519 https://gist.github.com/fwenzel/622519
      - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
        That is not a language provided primitive?