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> Also problematic is that gitlab really really cares what programming languages you've worked in before. I've applied and they've turned me down because I did

> Also problematic is that gitlab really really cares what programming languages you've worked in before. I've applied and they've turned me down because I didn't have enough Ruby experience, nevermind that I have plenty of years of experience in development and learning another language isn't that big of a deal. Yeah, I've come across this in loads of companies too. In the end, I think those sort of companies don't understand that once you grok 2-3 languages, the rest of them mostly look/work the same (except the really different ones), and they are just looking for "code-monkeys" to program with them for a year or two.

ElectricalUnion 4y ago
> grok 2-3 languages I don't think most people simply "accidentally grok" or use Smalltalk, Lisp or Raku; therefore I consider most people don't have what takes to grok Ruby either.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Oh please, Ruby is not some arcane language. It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# once you get used to your dev environment. Those languages alone cover way over half all the developers. People here are acting Ruby is anywhere on the same level of difficulty for a regular high-level OOP developer as C++ or Haskell.
  - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
    > It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. The only other mainstream language with this capacity is Erlang, and Erlang is not exactly what I would call mainstream language.
    - corrral 4y ago
      > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. Javascript is pretty popular.
      - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
        I'm pretty sure Java != Javascript?
        corrral 4y ago
        Sure, but it's a very popular language that puts the ability to modify behavior at run-time front and center. It's not like Ruby is special in that regard.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      And you believe that Ruby both does not make it easy to learn this concept and makes aggressive use of this concept? I believe you're severally overestimating the impact and importance of one quirk when many developers are picking up wildly differing languages and decently successful at it all the time.
    - weatherlite 4y ago
      > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python How so - Python is dynamic. Django does quote some magic (e.g defining methods on the fly etc).
      - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
        Python is dynamic but doesn't provide an easy way for you to change the types the language provides, while that is more or less expected in Ruby.
        4y ago
dragonwriter 4y ago
> I think those sort of companies don't understand that once you grok 2-3 languages, the rest of them mostly look/work the same I mean, if you know 2-3, say, static class-based OOP languages, other static, class-based OOP languages mostly look/work the same. If you know 3+ languages with wildly divergent paradigms, you can probably pick up most new languages even if they don't look/work the same. But if you know 2-3 closely related languages, one that isn't closely related to those 2-3 can be problematic.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > But if you know 2-3 closely related languages, one that isn't closely related to those 2-3 can be problematic. Indeed. Not sure if you left it out on purpose, but my comment included (right after the part you quoted) the following: "(except the really different ones)", which covers exactly what you're talking about :)

ElectricalUnion 4y ago

> grok 2-3 languages I don't think most people simply "accidentally grok" or use Smalltalk, Lisp or Raku; therefore I consider most people don't have what takes to grok Ruby either.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Oh please, Ruby is not some arcane language. It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# once you get used to your dev environment. Those languages alone cover way over half all the developers. People here are acting Ruby is anywhere on the same level of difficulty for a regular high-level OOP developer as C++ or Haskell.
- ElectricalUnion 4y ago
  > It's really not all that different from Python, JavaScript, Java and C# I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. The only other mainstream language with this capacity is Erlang, and Erlang is not exactly what I would call mainstream language.
  - corrral 4y ago
    > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python, Java and C#. Javascript is pretty popular.
    - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure Java != Javascript?
      - corrral 4y ago
        Sure, but it's a very popular language that puts the ability to modify behavior at run-time front and center. It's not like Ruby is special in that regard.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    And you believe that Ruby both does not make it easy to learn this concept and makes aggressive use of this concept? I believe you're severally overestimating the impact and importance of one quirk when many developers are picking up wildly differing languages and decently successful at it all the time.
  - weatherlite 4y ago
    > I think that being able to dynamically replace behavior from almost anything at any point in your program is pretty much very different from Python How so - Python is dynamic. Django does quote some magic (e.g defining methods on the fly etc).
    - ElectricalUnion 4y ago
      Python is dynamic but doesn't provide an easy way for you to change the types the language provides, while that is more or less expected in Ruby.
      - 4y ago

dragonwriter 4y ago

> I think those sort of companies don't understand that once you grok 2-3 languages, the rest of them mostly look/work the same I mean, if you know 2-3, say, static class-based OOP languages, other static, class-based OOP languages mostly look/work the same. If you know 3+ languages with wildly divergent paradigms, you can probably pick up most new languages even if they don't look/work the same. But if you know 2-3 closely related languages, one that isn't closely related to those 2-3 can be problematic.

capableweb 4y ago
> But if you know 2-3 closely related languages, one that isn't closely related to those 2-3 can be problematic. Indeed. Not sure if you left it out on purpose, but my comment included (right after the part you quoted) the following: "(except the really different ones)", which covers exactly what you're talking about :)