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..and if we had no security, would it be any better? I'm shocked at all the anti-security people here on HN. Do you also have no password on you wireless conn

• wnight 15y ago
  > I'm shocked at all the anti-security people here on HN. Only by your misconceptions of useful security, and how it can be cobble together from unrelated and broken parts. > Do you also have no password on you wireless connection Of course I don't have a password on my wireless. Otherwise how could anyone who needed a connection use it? Sheesh. The only reason to fear someone on your LAN is because you aren't secure. If you job involves deploying anything Internet facing you can't rely on a firewall to keep the bad people away. >I would really like to see if the people downvoting have any security precautions in place in their daily lives. Of course we do. I look both ways before crossing the street, I don't burn candles unattended, I fix all visible "broken windows", and I don't use any measures that don't offer at least a fair bit of protection in the given context. Weak layers are a distraction and a problem, to you. > If so, they are a little hypocritical. Not at all. You'd probably (hopefully) object if I came to your house and replaced your smoke detector with a unicorn detector and a bad-stuff detector, even though you now had twice the number of security devices as before. If you understand why you'd object to those you'll start to understand why I object to what you see as security measures. > ..and if we had no security, would it be any better? YES! Than fake security, I mean. If we had no security we'd know it and we wouldn't take pictures we didn't want seen, or write email we didn't want read. A realistic view is always preferable.
  • rick888 15y ago
    "Otherwise how could anyone who needed a connection use it? Sheesh." When enough people use your wireless connection and you get slapped with an IP letter for your ISP, you will realize the error of your ways. "The only reason to fear someone on your LAN is because you aren't secure. If you job involves deploying anything Internet facing you can't rely on a firewall to keep the bad people away." Yet, you still take security precautions. A firewall was just a example of taking a security precaution. "even though you now had twice the number of security devices as before." Is this a joke? "Than fake security, I mean." I'm still not quite sure what this "real security" is as opposed to "fake security" that we have now..and I don't think you do either. You haven't brought up one point.
    • wnight 15y ago
      > I'm still not quite sure what this "real security" is as opposed to "fake security" that we have now..and I don't think you do either. You haven't brought up one point. You haven't seen one point... Airline security taking the plate away from the person when they could just buy another plate down the hall and carry it onto the same airplane. That's fake security. As is anything that purports to offer a benefit but that in examination, does not, or where the "benefit" isn't for some reason. >> "even though you now had twice the number of security devices as before." > Is this a joke? People have been asking themselves that about your posts. But no, it was not. It's a serious example of how you recognize fake security, and reject it, at one level but not at another because it's out of your league. But you don't recognize this and presume to lecture those who understand more than you. > Yet, you still take security precautions. A firewall was just a example of taking a security precaution. I take actual precautions. I don't have a rabbit's foot, four-leafed clover, or the like. > When enough people use your wireless connection and you get slapped with an IP letter for your ISP, you will realize the error of your ways. All you authoritarians speak is pain, and you LIKE it. You're just cackling with glee waiting for me to be hauled away. BTW, traffic from my LAN doesn't have to reach the Internet anywhere 'near' me. No, I appear to be a mild-mannered business. One day a misaddressed and ultimately unjust takedown will ruin your month though and you'll have only yourself and your millions of rabid and vapid brethren to thank.